Solving Quantum Mechanics in Space-Time: Effects of General Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the effects of quantum mechanical systems on space-time, particularly in the context of general relativity. Participants explore the implications of superpositions of energy states on space-time curvature and the potential collapse of quantum states into classical systems, as well as the relationship between quantum mechanics and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a quantum mechanical system in a superposition of energy states would create different space-time curvatures, questioning why only one curvature is observed.
  • Another participant references a major GR theorist's speculations on the topic, expressing interest in the validity of those ideas.
  • A participant reiterates the initial question about the collapse of quantum systems into classical states, mentioning Penrose's Orch-OR theory, which posits gravity as a cause of decoherence.
  • One participant challenges the assertion that space-time has only one curvature, noting the lack of observational proof for this claim.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of environmentally selected decoherence, suggesting that interactions with the environment lead to the collapse of quantum states into definite positions, and relates this to the stress-energy tensor in a gravitational context.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of quantum mechanics for space-time curvature and the nature of quantum state collapse. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims made or the interpretations of the theories discussed.

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The discussion includes speculative reasoning and references to theoretical frameworks that are not universally accepted or proven, indicating a reliance on assumptions and interpretations that may not be fully resolved.

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I have been wondering what effects a quantum mechanical system would cause in space time.
Pick a general state of the system. This would not generaly be in one of the energy eigenstates -rather, it would be on a superposition of energy states. Now, each one of them would cause a different space time curvature.

But we do not see such thing happening -the space time has one, and only one, curvature. So would that mean as we look out in the space time we are causing the system to collapse to become a classical system?
 
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PAllen said:
This is a good question, and here are some speculations on this by a major GR theorist (see, e.g. p.3):

https://arxiv.org/abs/0812.0240/
Very interesting indeed. What are the chances for what he discusses to be correct?
 
davidge said:
I have been wondering what effects a quantum mechanical system would cause in space time.
Pick a general state of the system. This would not generaly be in one of the energy eigenstates -rather, it would be on a superposition of energy states. Now, each one of them would cause a different space time curvature.

But we do not see such thing happening -the space time has one, and only one, curvature. So would that mean as we look out in the space time we are causing the system to collapse to become a classical system?

We don't see it happening at the large scales but it could at small scales. This is the basis of Penrose's arguments for Orchestrated Reduction Collapse (Orch-OR) where gravity is the cause of decoherence.

Cheers
 
davidge said:
But we do not see such thing happening -the space time has one, and only one, curvature.

We should question this statement since there is no observational proof of this.
 
Before asking this question about GR, ask the question of a macroscopic open system in normal quantum mechanics. Namely, why don't we see sqrt(2)/2 table over here and sqrt(2)/2 of the table on the other side of the room?

I would say the modern answer to that still open puzzle is environmentally selected decoherence, namely that the table collapses to a definite position bc of its interaction with the environment. Likewise you could imagine that the stress energy tensor is some sort of expectation value of many quantum objects that have all collapsed to some classical pointer state(s). However, the exact details and consistency of that sort of process in the gravitational context are simply not known in detail.
 
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