Solving Related Rates Problem: Cylinder Cone Volume and Surface Area

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The discussion revolves around a related rates problem involving a right circular cone with a specified height and diameter. The original poster is attempting to analyze the relationship between the volume of water in the cone and its changing dimensions as the height decreases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster calculates the volume of water at a specific height and attempts to find the rate of change of volume with respect to time. They express uncertainty about their understanding of related rates, particularly in parts b and c of the problem.
  • Some participants note that the diameter of the cone changes with height, prompting questions about how to relate the radius and height effectively.
  • Others suggest using similar triangles to establish a relationship between the radius and height, indicating a potential method for deriving the necessary relationships.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and offering guidance on how to relate the dimensions of the cone. There is no explicit consensus yet, but suggestions for visual aids and mathematical relationships are being shared.

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Participants note the absence of information regarding the rate of change of the radius, which complicates the application of related rates in this context. The problem's constraints and the original poster's uncertainty about the concepts involved are also highlighted.

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Hey guys, I'm having some trouble figuring out this problem and was wondering if someone would be kind enough to look over my work so I know that I am doing it correctly =).
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There is an open right cylinder cone that has a heigh of 10cm and diameter of 10cm. the depth h is changing at -3/10cm/hr. V=1/3(pi)r^2(h).

a) find volume of water at h=5

V= 1/3(pi)(5^2)(5)= 125/3(pi)cm^3

b) find dv/dt when h=5cm

dv/dt= 1/3(pi)(5^2)(-3/10)=-5/2cm^3/hr

c) show that rate of change of volume of water is directly proportional to the surface area of water. what is the constant of proportionality

dv/dt=1/3(pi)r^2(dh/dt)
surface area=(pi)r^2
1/3(pi)r^2(dh/dt)=(pi)r^2
constant is (pi)r^2
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My main problem is with parts b and c as I'm not sure if I am getting the concept of related rates correctly =/
 
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for one you must understand that diamater of the cone is changing with the height.
 
yes I figured that since the height decreases, so does the radius except the problem didn't give me dr/dt or any real mention so I'm not sure how to apply it to the problem if I need to.
 
well since the diameter is 10 when the height is 10 you can define one of them in terms of the other one, then you can take the derivitave wrt that variable. do you know how to do this?
 
Draw a picture. The side of a cone is a straight line so you can use "similar triangles" to find the function relating r to h (or just find the equation of the line through (0,0) and (10, 5)).
 

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