Solving Rocket Motion: Initial and Final Mass Calculations

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a rocket motion problem involving the calculation of initial and final mass, as well as the dynamics of the rocket as it expels fuel. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to forces, mass flow rates, and motion equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of mass as a function of time and the implications of changing mass on the equations of motion. There are questions about the relevance of certain equations and how to derive velocity when mass is not constant.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the correct approach to the problem, emphasizing the need to consider the changing mass in the equations of motion. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the dynamics of the rocket under the influence of thrust and weight, but no consensus has been reached on the specific steps to take next.

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Participants note the urgency of the homework deadline, which may be influencing the pace and tone of the discussion. There is also mention of the mass flow rate of the propellant and its impact on the rocket's motion, indicating that assumptions about constant mass may need to be reconsidered.

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Homework Statement



A rocket on its launch pad has a mass of 20,000kg. The engine fires at t=0s and produces a constant force of 500,000 N straight up. The engines fire for 1 minute during which the entire 10,000kg of fuel on poard is consumed and expelled from the rocket at a constant rate. Ignore air resistance and assume that the force of gravity is constant. We will find the velocity of the rocket as its engines stop firing.

a. Note the initial and final mass of the rocket. Write down an equation for m(t), the mass as a function of time. You will introduce a constant k which represents the rate at which fuell is burned. Make sure you have the correct units for k.

b. Draw a free-body diagram, and write down the equation (or equations) that govern the motion. Note that the mass has to be m(t).

c. From your answer to b, write down an expression for the velocity. Your answer may be left in the form of a definite integral. You do not have to evaluate the integral.​

Homework Equations



F_net = ma
x_f = x_i + v_i*t + 1/2 at^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I got a linear equation for part a, m(t) = 20,000 - 166.6t, k being 166.6. For b, I plugged that in for m in the first equation above, then solved for a and plugged that into the second equation, but I'm not sure if that's right. I ended up with x(t) = (250,000t^2)/(20,000 - 166.6t). c has me really stumped though. I'd really appreciate a quick answer, as this is due tomorrow morning. Thanks!
 
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The relevant equations you cited are not relevant here. Those equations implicitly assume a constant mass. You have to use the more general form,

\vec{F}=\frac{d}{dt}(m\vec v)

You will not get a quadratic. You can use the chain rule to separate the effects of the change in mass and change in velocity. You already have an equation for the mass as a function of time. All that is left is solving for dv/dt.
 
Ok, so using that equation, I get 500,000 = (20,000 - 166.6t)*d/dt(v) - 166.6v. So how do I find the derivative of v when I don't know what v is?
 
Please, anyone, I'm still lost and I need this in the next 20 minutes!
 
10 minutes...
 
Thanks anyway guys.
 
Sorry about that, but it would be best to PM one of the HH's if one does not get a prompt response.

The engines fire for 1 minute during which the entire 10,000kg
this gives the mass flow rate of the propellant, which is also the rate at which the rocket looses mass.

dm/dt = - 10,000 kg/ 1 min or 166.67 kg/s. That has been done correctly.


The next step would be to write the rocket's equation of motion,

m(t) dv(t)/dt = Thrust - Weight, and the weight is changing W(t) = m(t) g, if g is constant.
 
Sean77771 said:
Thanks anyway guys.

Sean, you posted the OP at 4:49 PM CDT yesterday. The first answer was posted less than an hour later. Unless there is an ongoing discussion, that one hour lag is fairly typical. Responses tend to be a lot quicker once a discussion gets going. You should have worked on this yesterday when you had time and people around willing to help you rather than waiting until 30 minutes before the assignment was due.
 

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