Solving Sampling with Aliasing Homework

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the sampling of a signal defined by x(t) = (sin(50πt)/(πt))^2, with a focus on determining the maximum frequency ω₀ that ensures G(ω) = 75X(ω) under the given sampling frequency ωₛ = 150π. The participants explore concepts related to aliasing, signal bandwidth, and Fourier transforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the signal bandwidth B should be defined as 100π, leading to the conclusion that aliasing occurs since 150π is not greater than 200π.
  • Another participant argues that aliasing does not occur if the bandwidth is defined as one-sided, suggesting B = 50π instead.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the Fourier transform, questioning whether their earlier definition of bandwidth was incorrect.
  • Discussion includes the observation that aliasing alters the shape of G, with a flat spectrum appearing between ω = 50π and 75π.
  • One participant explains how to visualize the spectrum and the effects of aliasing graphically, noting that the first folding frequency is 75π.
  • Another participant confirms that G = 75X in the absence of aliasing and suggests that aliasing increases G between 50π and 75π, indicating that 50π is the maximum frequency where G = 75X.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on the definition of bandwidth and its implications for aliasing. Some agree on the values of B and X(0), while others challenge the assumptions leading to the conclusion about aliasing. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the sampling conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions used for bandwidth and the implications for aliasing, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the Fourier transform and sampling theorem.

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Homework Statement


Let the signal x(t) = \left(\displaystyle\frac{\sin(50\pi t)}{\pi t}\right)^2, which we want to sample with sampling frequency \omega_s = 150\pi in order to obtain a signal, g(t) whose Fourier transform is G(\omega). Determine the maximun value for \omega_0 which guarantees that G(\omega) = 75X(\omega) for \left|\omega\right| \leq{\omega_0}



Homework Equations


Sampling Nyquist theoreme: \omega_s > 2B, where B is the signal band-with.


The Attempt at a Solution


X(\omega) = FT\{x(t)\} is a triangular signal with B = 100\pi and amplitude X(0) = 25.

From sampling Nyquist theoreme, 150\pi > 200\pi is false, so there is aliasing.

I don't know how to finish the problem.

Thank you.
 
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There is no aliasing. You should not define signal bandwidth to include both positive and negative frequencies if you plan to use a relation with 2B. (That is, 2B assumes that B was defined as one-sided, whereupon the factor of 2 accounts for the negative frequency portion.) With this definition, you should write
B=50\pi and 2B<ws, so you are sampled properly.
 
I've defined bandwith to include only positive frequencies, so my problem must be an error in Fourier transform.

I think X(\omega) = FT\{x(t)\} is a triangular signal whose bandwith is B = 100\pi and X(0) = 25

Is this wrong?

Thank you.
 
Hmm. Now that I work it out, I also get B=100pi but X(0)=50 (although the value of X(0) is not needed to solve the problem). Aliasing changes the shape of G so that the spectrum becomes horizontal between w=50pi and 75pi. You can compare the shape of G to that of X; I don't see that G exceeds X by 75, however.
 
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You're right: B=100pi and X(0)=50.

Intuitively I understand that a horizontal line appears in the spectrum, but how can you know that this occurs between w=50pi and 75pi?

Regarding the problem question (which I've checked that it is correctly copied), I know G(\omega) = \displaystyle\frac{1}{T_s}\sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty}X(\omega-k\omega_s). As \omega_s = 150\pi, then T_s = 2\pi/150\pi = 1/75, this expression can be written as G(\omega) = 75\displaystyle\sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty}X(\omega-k\omega_s), where 75 appears, but I don't know how to continue.

Thank you.
 
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You're right: B=100pi and X(0)=50.

Intuitively I understand that a horizontal line appears in the spectrum, but how can you know that this occurs between w=50pi and 75pi?
You can do it graphically. I'll discuss only the positive frequencies, but everything to follow is mirrored for w<0. The spectrum X is a triangle X(0)=50 and X(100*pi)=0, and G is X replicated at every integer multiple of ws. The first folding frequency is 75*pi, so fold the bit of triangle from 75 to 100 pi back and add it to X to give G. The flat part of G extends from 50 to 75 pi.

Bromio said:
Regarding the problem question (which I've checked that it is correctly copied), I know G(\omega) = \displaystyle\frac{1}{T_s}\sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty}X(\omega-k\omega_s). As \omega_s = 150\pi, then T_s = 2\pi/150\pi = 1/75, this expression can be written as G(\omega) = 75\displaystyle\sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty}X(\omega-k\omega_s), where 75 appears, but I don't know how to continue.

Thank you.
Excellent, you've shown that G=75X in the absence of aliasing. Aliasing raises the value of G between 50 and 75 pi, so 50pi is the maximum frequency where G=75X.
 
Thank you.

I've just understood this problem.
 

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