Solving Stokes' Law Experiment Mystery

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of forces acting on objects in viscous fluids, specifically comparing Stokes' Law as applied to a lead shot and Millikan's oil drop experiment. Participants explore the conditions under which objects reach terminal velocity and the implications of net forces being zero in different scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a lead shot continues to move downward at terminal velocity when the net force is zero, while an oil drop can be made to stand still under an electric field when the net force is also zero.
  • Another participant explains that drag force increases with speed, and at terminal velocity, the drag force equals the weight of the object, allowing it to descend at a constant speed.
  • A different participant asserts that terminal velocities are indeed used in the Millikan experiment to calculate the charge on the oil drop, referencing the relationship between terminal velocities in different conditions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the oil drops do reach terminal velocity, and mentions the role of upthrust in determining the net forces acting on the drops.
  • Another participant suggests that both statements regarding the behavior of objects under zero net force can be true, depending on the initial conditions of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of objects under zero net force, with some arguing that both scenarios can coexist under different conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions on the interpretation of Stokes' Law and the Millikan experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the viscosity of the fluid and the initial conditions of the objects (e.g., whether they are moving or at rest) play significant roles in determining their behavior under the influence of forces.

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I am not able to understand the following situations.

In stokes' experiment a tiny lead shot falls freely under gravity in a highly viscous column of liquid. When the viscous force becomes equal to the net weight of the lead shot it is said that the shot moves down with a constant velocity known as terminal velocity. The explanation given is that the net force on the shot becomes zero at this point as the upward acting viscous force on the shot cancels the net down ward force due to the weight of the shot. That is the acceleration of the lead shot becomes zero which means the increase in velocity of the shot becomes zero. So the lead shot, instead of hanging at rest at that point itself, actually moves down with a constant terminal velocity.

Now think of this situation. In Millikan's oil drop method,an oil drop is initially made to fall under gravity in between two plates through air.Here also the oil drop attains the constant terminal velocity under gravity when the net force on the oil drop is zero.

But when you apply a suitable upward acting electric field on the charged oil drop, you can alter the field in such a way that the drop either moves up or stand still in air. When the drop is made to stand still without moving either up or down, again we take that the net force acting on the drop is zero.

Here, we take the net weight of the drop is equal to the force due to the electric field,ie. (mg = Eq) while solving problems.

My doubt is this:

In the previous case also the net force on the lead shot is zero but the shot did not stop and stay still but continued to move downwards with a constant velocity where as in the second case how is that the charged oil drop could be made to stand still by making the net force acting on it zero?

Then which statement is true, ie. when the net force on a freely falling body through a viscous medium becomes zero, it continues to move down but with a constant velocity (first case),
or when the net force on a freely falling body through a viscous medium becomes zero,
it just stops and stands still there itself (second case)?
 
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Drag. As an object moves through a fluid, the force exerted by the fluid on the object (and obviously vice-versa) is drag and this is dependent upon the speed of the object. So as the shot falls through the oil, it accelerates and increases its speed. But as its speed increases the force of drag also increases. Eventually they come to a point where they cancel each other out and reach terminal velocity. Since there is no net force, the shot keeps descending on its merry way at the speed necessary to create the requisite amount of drag force.

In the Millikan oil-drop experiment, terminal velocity is probably not considered. This is because the viscosity of air is very low compared to that of the oil and the oil drops would not have been able to fall long enough to achieve terminal velocity. The oil drops are basically sprayed into the electric field, so they do not have an appreciable amount of time to be acted upon by gravity before being taken up by the electric field. So with judicious positioning of the spray, you can ensure that a reasonable number of the oil drops will enter the electric field with charges and without any vertical velocity. Once in the field, they will experience zero net force in the vertical direction and thus will not gain any vertical velocity and remain at the same vertical position (we can assume that we can make the field's area large enough that the drag on the oil drop will eventually stop it from drifting out of the field in the horizontal direction).
 
But, we are using actually using the terminal velocities in the Millikan's oil drop method while calculating the charge of the drop.

charge on the oil drop is given by Q= 1/E n3/2(v=v1{9v/2(p-s)g} where n= coefficient of viscosity of air, v and v1 are the terminal velocities in the absence and presence of electric field respectively, p = the density of the oil and the s = density of air.
 
The oil drops used by Millikan were microscopically small and did reach terminal velocity.Another force that should be taken into account is the upthrust due to the fluid,so terminal velocity is reached when the viscous drag becomes equal to the weight minus the upthrust.
Ananthu you are referring to Newton's first law and one way to express this is to say that when the resultant force becomes equal to zero the body will continue moving in the way that it was moving at the time.If the body was moving it will continue moving with the same finite constant velocity,if it was at rest it will remain at rest(move with zero constant velocity)
 
ananthu said:
Then which statement is true, ie. when the net force on a freely falling body through a viscous medium becomes zero, it continues to move down but with a constant velocity (first case),
or when the net force on a freely falling body through a viscous medium becomes zero,
it just stops and stands still there itself (second case)?

Both are true. I'm not familiar with the experiment in question (I've forgotten) but the field exerts a net force upwards decelerating the drop, then this force is reduced to be equal to the force of gravity.

See: Newtons 1st law of Motion.
 

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