Solving Tangent Lines for 2 Graphs: x1,x2

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves sketching the graphs of the functions y=x² and y=-x²+6x-5, and finding the equations of the tangent lines that touch both graphs. The original poster attempts to understand the conditions under which a tangent line can intersect both parabolas at distinct points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the need for the tangent lines to touch both graphs at specific points, leading to equations involving derivatives. There is confusion regarding the number of variables and the conditions for tangency.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to set up the problem by suggesting the use of points on the parabolas and the equations of tangent lines. There is an acknowledgment of the need for additional equations to solve for the variables involved, and some productive direction has been provided regarding the relationship between the points and the tangent lines.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of having multiple variables and the requirement for the tangent lines to meet specific conditions, such as passing through certain points on the parabolas. There is also mention of the derivatives needing to be equal at the points of tangency.

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Homework Statement


Sketch the graphs of y=x2 and y= -x2+6x-5, and sketch the two lines that are tangent to both graphs. Find equations of these lines.

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So I know that a tangent line to both graphs means that the tangent line will touch the first graph at (x1,y1) and the second graph at (x2, y2) and at these separate points, the derivatives will be equal. So my first equation looks like 2x1 = -2x2+6, however I'm stuck on what other equation I'm supposed to use to solve for both x-variables.
 
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You have the sketch, I suppose ?
A line is ##y = ax + b##; its intersections with the two parabolas follow from two quadratic equations that both have to have only one solution.
 
BvU said:
You have the sketch, I suppose ?
A line is ##y = ax + b##; its intersections with the two parabolas follow from two quadratic equations that both have to have only one solution.
I'm sorry but I still don't understand how that relates to what I'm supposed to do. They're supposed to have only one solution to what? If I set ax+b equal to the quadratic equations, there's still too many variables for me to solve for which is where I'm confused.
 
Maybe this will help. Let ##P=(a,a^2)## be an unknown point on the parabola ##y=x^2##. Write the equation of the tangent line at that ##P##. Of course, it will depend on the unknown ##a##, but that's OK.
Now look at a general point on the second parabola: if ##x=b## then ##y = -b^2+6b-5##, so the general point on that parabola is ##Q=(b,-b^2+6b-5)##. Now what needs to happen for the tangent line to the first parabola at ##P## to be tangent to the second parabola at ##Q##? That should give you some equations in ##a## and ##b## to work with. Sorry, I changed your notation a bit to avoid all the subscripts.
 
LCKurtz said:
Maybe this will help. Let ##P=(a,a^2)## be an unknown point on the parabola ##y=x^2##. Write the equation of the tangent line at that ##P##. Of course, it will depend on the unknown ##a##, but that's OK.
Now look at a general point on the second parabola: if ##x=b## then ##y = -b^2+6b-5##, so the general point on that parabola is ##Q=(b,-b^2+6b-5)##. Now what needs to happen for the tangent line to the first parabola at ##P## to be tangent to the second parabola at ##Q##? That should give you some equations in ##a## and ##b## to work with. Sorry, I changed your notation a bit to avoid all the subscripts.
The derivatives have to be equal at P and Q, right? So I set the derivatives equal, but I need another equation in order to solve for both variables. Is there something I can do with the original equations? I can't set them equal though because the points don't happen at the same y-value.
 
The tangent line at ##P## must pass through ##Q##.
 
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LCKurtz said:
The tangent line at ##P## must pass through ##Q##.
I finally got it, I've been working on this problem for so long. Thank you so much!
 

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