Solving the Pressure Change in a Gas Experiment

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The discussion revolves around determining the original pressure of an ideal gas when the volume is held constant, given the final temperature and pressure. The original temperature is also provided, creating a context for applying the Ideal Gas Law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between temperature and pressure in the context of the Ideal Gas Law. There are attempts to derive the original pressure using calculations based on given values. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the approach and the understanding of the relevant equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the relationship between the variables involved, while others express uncertainty about their calculations. There is acknowledgment of the need to understand the underlying principles rather than just following steps. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some participants seek validation of their reasoning.

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Participants mention previous attempts and confusion regarding the calculations. There is a reference to external resources for clarification, indicating that some foundational knowledge may be assumed or lacking. The discussion reflects a mix of confidence and uncertainty about the correct application of the Ideal Gas Law.

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The volume of a quantity of the ideal gas was kept constant in a experiment. The final temp. was 600 kelvins (K) and the final pressure was 300 netwons per square m (Meter). What was the original pressure if the original temperature was 1000 K?


This is so mind twisting.

I got it wrong three times
 
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What was your approach on this question? Also please be sure to re-read this https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=94379 part #1.

If you show us what you have done, we can help steer you in a successful direction.

What kind of relationship (equations) do you know that relate the variables in your question?
 
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K, I read it.

I was doing the problem wrong. But I think i understand it now.
My equation is

1. 1000 x 300 = 300,000
2. 300,000 / 600 = 500

Answer=500

This all works out right?
 
I don't understand.. What are you trying to accomplish with your calculations? Do you know the equation that shows the relationship between your variables (final temperature, pressure, & volume; original temperature, pressure & volume)?
 
I'm trying to accomplish what the original pressure was if the original temperature was 1000 K.
1000 [Original Temperature] x 300 [Final Pressure] = 300,000

300,000 [New Solution] / 600 [Final Temperature] = 500 [Original Pressure]

Answer = 500

I asked my advisor if i was correct, and he said yes.

But, I want to know if you think my steps were the correct way of getting the answer?
 
Yes your solution is okay..

It helps to understand the relationship of your variables to solve any problem. That way you are not limited by step-by-step instructions shown in your text or given by the instructor.

In your case one form of the general expression for The Ideal Gas Law, where i is initial and f is final, P-pressure, V-volume and T-temperature.

[tex]\frac {P_i V_i}{T_i} = \frac {P_f V_f}{T_f}[/tex]

ref (see Ideal Gas Law with Constraints)

Since your volume is constant [itex]V_i = V_f[/itex]

You are asked what is the original pressure. Solving for [itex]P_i[/itex]
(using basic algebra)

[tex]P_i = \frac {P_f T_i}{T_f}[/tex]
Once you realize that, the solution becomes trivial (just plugging in the numbers and keeping your units consistent). Speaking of units, I hope remembered to give your solution in [tex]\frac {N}{m^2}[/tex]
 
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