Solving the Simple Equation exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0

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The discussion revolves around the equation exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0, which is related to wave functions in a physics context, particularly concerning harmonic waves on a string. Participants are exploring the implications of this equation and its solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to manipulate the equation using Euler's formula, leading to expressions involving sine and cosine. There is a questioning of whether the simplifications made are valid, and some participants express confusion about the implications of the results.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the equation, with some participants suggesting that kL can take on multiple values, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of their interpretations and the book's solutions. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the implications of the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is framed within the context of boundary conditions for harmonic waves, and there is mention of potential discrepancies between the participants' interpretations and the textbook's answers.

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Homework Statement



What does it take for

exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0

?

The Attempt at a Solution



cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(kL) - i sin(kL) = 0

0 = 0

This suggests that kL can be anything, but this is not the right answer.
 
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kasse said:

Homework Statement



What does it take for

exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0

?

The Attempt at a Solution



cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(kL) - i sin(kL) = 0
You are using exp(ikL)= cos(kl)+ i sin(kL), right?

So exp(-ikL)= cos(kL)- i sin(kL) because cosine is an even function and sine is an odd function.

However, cos(kL)+ i sin(kL)- (cos(kL)- sin(kL)) is NOT 0.

0 = 0

This suggests that kL can be anything, but this is not the right answer.
 


kasse said:

Homework Statement



What does it take for

exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0

?

The Attempt at a Solution



cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(kL) - i sin(kL) = 0
The equation above should be:
cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(-kL) - i sin(-kL) = 0
or
cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(kL) + i sin(kL) = 0
So 2 sin(kL) = 0, which says that kL = n*pi, where n is an integer.
kasse said:
0 = 0

This suggests that kL can be anything, but this is not the right answer.
 


Here's the whole problem:

There are two harmonic waves on a string:

y1=Aexp(i(kx-wt))
y2=Bexp(i(-kx-wt))

(1) y(x=0)=0
(2) y(=L) = 0

The total wave is

(3) y=exp(-iwt)[Aexp(ikx) + Bexp(-ikx)]

(1) gives A = -B, so that (3) can be written

y = exp(-iwt)[Aexp(ikL) - Aexp(-ikL)] = 0

For (2) to be true, we must have exp(ikL) - exp(-ikL) = 0, that is

cos(kL) + i sin(kL) - cos(-kL) - i sin (-kL) = 0 ---> 2sin(kL) = 0 ---> kL = n*pi

My book is wrong, then?
 
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Books have been known to have wrong answers. Your equation is satisfied if kL = pi, or 3*pi, or 5*pi, and so on, values that your book's solution doesn't include.
 

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