Solving Troublesome Integral: 100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh

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The discussion revolves around the integral 100 ∫ (h² - 20h) / (h - 10)² dh. Participants are exploring various methods to compute this integral, including integration by parts and substitutions.

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  • Some participants discuss using integration by parts and express confusion about their results. Others suggest using polynomial division or partial fractions as alternative approaches. There is also mention of a substitution u = h - 10 to simplify the integral.

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Participants are actively sharing their attempts and questioning specific steps in their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative methods, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the integral.

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There are indications of potential sign errors in the calculations, and some participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of results provided by Wolfram Alpha. The forum's rules prohibit providing complete solutions, which influences the nature of the discussion.

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Hello,

I have tried computing the following integral three times now, and I can not figure out what I am doing wrong.

The integral is [itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh[/itex], which wolfram calculates as [itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 (-h - \frac{100}{h-10} + c )[/itex].

Here is one sample of my work:

Using integrating by parts, let [itex]u = h^2 - 20h[/itex], which becomes [itex]\frac{du}{dh} = 2h - 20[/itex]. Multiplying both sides by the differential [itex]u[/itex], we get [itex]\frac{du}{dh} dh = (2h-20)dh[/itex]. The definition of the differential of [itex]u[/itex] is [itex]du = \frac{du}{dh} dh[/itex]. Making this substitution, [itex]du = (2h - 20) dh[/itex]. Let [itex]dv = \frac{dh}{(h-10)^2}[/itex]. Integrating both sides, [itex]v = \frac{1}{h-10}[/itex].

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[ (h^2-20h) \left(\frac{1}{h-10} \right) - \int \frac{2h-20}{h-10} dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2 \int \frac{h-10}{h-10} dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2 \int dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2h + c \right][/itex]

which is not the same...

Can anyone see what I might have done wrong?
 
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Bashyboy said:
Hello,

I have tried computing the following integral three times now, and I can not figure out what I am doing wrong.

The integral is [itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh[/itex], which wolfram calculates as [itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 (-h - \frac{100}{h-10} + c[/itex].

Here is one sample of my work:

Using integrating by parts, let [itex]u = h^2 - 20h[/itex], which becomes [itex]\frac{du}{dh} = 2h - 20[/itex]. Multiplying both sides by the differential [itex]u[/itex], we get [itex]\frac{du}{dh} dh = (2h-20)dh[/itex]. The definition of the differential of [itex]u[/itex] is [itex]du \frac{du}{dh} dh[/itex]. Making this substitution, [itex]du = (2h - 20) dh[/itex]. Let [itex]dv = \frac{dh}{(h-10)^2}[/itex]. Integrating both sides, [itex]v = \frac{1}{h-10}[/itex].

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[ (h^2-20h) \left(\frac{1}{h-10} \right) - \int \frac{2h-20}{h-10} dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2 \int \frac{h-10}{h-10} dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2 \int dh \right] \implies[/itex]

[itex]100 \int \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} dh = 100 \left[\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10} - 2h + c \right][/itex]

which is not the same...

Can anyone see what I might have done wrong?

They differ by a constant. Divide ##\frac{h^2-20h}{h-10}## out using polynomial division. Using partial fractions to begin with would have led to an easier integration problem. BTW both solutions look to have a sign error.
 
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Try using the substitution $$u = h-10$$
After some simple algebra, you should end up with the integral $$100∫\frac{u^2-100}{u^2} du$$ which should be fairly easy to evaluate, then you can substitute your h-10 back into your solution.
 
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try using
$$100 \int \! \frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2} \, \mathrm{d}h=100 \int \! \frac{(h-10)^2-100}{(h-10)^2} \, \mathrm{d}h$$
 
Bashyboy said:
Can anyone see what I might have done wrong?
Your particular mistake was integrating ##dv = \frac{dh}{(h-10)^2}## to get ##v = \frac{1}{h-10}##. That's pretty wrong. I don't know what Wolfram Alpha's problem is if you quoted it correctly.
 
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I wouldn't consider that pretty wrong--perhaps just off the mark; after all, I am just missing a mere minus sign.
 
Bashyboy said:
I wouldn't consider that pretty wrong--perhaps just off the mark; after all, I am just missing a mere minus sign.

Why is the Wolfram Alpha answer you quoted also off by the same sign?
 
Why not simply calculating it carefully? It's not allowed to give the full solution in this forum, but here's a hint:

I'd use
[tex]\frac{h^2-20h}{(h-10)^2}=\frac{(h-10)^2-100}{(h-10)^2}=1-\frac{100}{(h-10)^2}.[/tex]
This is trivial to integrate. Mathematica 9.0 under linux gets the correct result. So I wonder, why Wolfram alpha gets it wrong.
 

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