Solving Trusses w/ Couples: Examples & Calculations

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The discussion revolves around solving trusses that have couples applied to them, exploring the implications of this on the analysis and calculations involved. Participants are sharing their experiences with specific examples and seeking clarification on how to approach these problems, particularly using the method of joints.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their calculations for a truss with an applied couple do not balance and questions if the presence of a couple requires a different approach.
  • Another participant explains that a pure truss does not carry bending or shear stresses, and the introduction of a couple changes the analysis to that of a frame or frame-truss combination.
  • There is a discussion about the three equilibrium equations (sum of forces in x, sum of forces in y, and moments) and how to incorporate the couple into these equations.
  • A request for a sketch of the truss is made to better understand the problem and the application of the couple.
  • One participant clarifies that they initially misunderstood the type of couple being discussed, suggesting that if it is a force couple, the problem may be treated like other truss problems with axial forces only.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the dimensions in their sketch and considers the possibility of an error in the question, indicating they will work through the calculations again.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on how the presence of a couple affects the analysis of the truss. While some suggest it complicates the situation, others argue that it may not change the fundamental approach if it is a force couple. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to analyze the truss with the applied couple.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the correct approach to take when analyzing trusses with couples, and there are uncertainties regarding the specific dimensions and configurations of the truss in question.

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I have solved a number of example questions referring to Trusses. I have one where the forces do not balance correctly when I check through.

A difference with this truss is that there is a couple applied to the truss.

I have been using the method of Joints to do the working out.

Does the presence of a net couple mean that I have to do something different?
Can anyone point me to an example where the calculations are done on a Truss with a couple applied to it?
 
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A pure truss consists of 2-force members which carry axial compression or tensile forces and stresses, no bending stresses or shear forces. When a couple is applied, the truss is no longer a pure truss, and it becomes a frame or frame-truss combo, where at least one of the members carries shear load and moment and associated stresses. The frame has to be analyzed differently, often still statically determinate using all 3 equilibrium equations.
 
Mmm, I thought that might be to the problem. The three equilibrium equations being sum Fx, Fy and Moments?
The issue I have is that I do not know how to include the couple. Can anyone point me to an example?
 
Can you attach a sketch of your particular question showing where the couple is applied and what the frame looks like and how it is supported?
 
Here is a truss that I have sketched. The question is to resolve all forces and the reactions at the supports, one of which is pinned.
I have had to export the svg as a non-vector version for this forum.

The three lengths at the bottom are all 3m, i.e. 9m in all along the bottom with all internal angles as you would expect from the two given, the couple being formed by the horizontal component of the reaction at the pinned support and the 2K sideways force.
 

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Oh, when you said a couple was applied, I was envisioning a pure couple and not a force couple consisting of equal and opposite forces a perpendicular distance 'd' apart. Since this is the case here, and all external forces are at joints, this problem is no different than other truss problems, the truss is 'pure' with axial member forces only. So you might want to show your work so we can see what the problem is that you are having.
 
Ah, Thanks, you have given me more confidenec and looking at the diagram, the middle distance can't be 3. I wonder if the question has an error, I will work it through with three and 2.3 (calculated middle brace length) and see if the results come out correctly.
I will post some working.
 

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