Solving Two-Block Friction Problem - Force Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two blocks with different masses experiencing an applied force and friction. The original poster seeks to determine the forces exerted between the two blocks, given their coefficients of friction and the net acceleration calculated from the applied force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the applied force, friction, and the forces exerted by the blocks on each other. There are attempts to calculate the forces involved using Newton's laws and friction equations. Questions arise regarding the impact of differing masses on the forces exerted between the blocks.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering calculations and interpretations of Newton's third law. Some guidance is provided regarding the equality of forces exerted by the blocks, but there is no explicit consensus on the implications of differing friction forces due to the different masses.

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There is a mention of specific values for the applied force and coefficients of friction, as well as the calculated net acceleration. The original poster indicates uncertainty about calculating the forces exerted by the blocks on each other, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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That's the best that I can do. As you can see, the two blocks are touching and both share the same coefficient of friction. There's an applied force on the first, lighter block. I've done all of my homework but just can't figure out:
-Force exerted by the 80kg block on the 210kg block
-Force exerted by the 210kg block on the 80kg block
-I have already determined the net acceleration, which I believe is 1.410m/s^2

Homework Equations


F=ma
Ff=(Fn)(mu)


The Attempt at a Solution


F=ma
Fnet=(m)(anet)
Fnet=(210kg)(1.410)=296.1N

F=Fa-Fnet
F=750-296.1=453.9N I believe this is the answer for the "Force of the 80kg block on the 210kg block".

However, I don't know how to calculate the other. Any help is appreciated!
 
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Okay well F - Ff = m*a.

F = 750 N
Ff = 341
750 - 341 = 290 * a
a = 1.41 m/s

Then the force of each blocking pushing on each other is equal because of Newton's 3rd law. So the Force on the first block minus the force of friction is equal to the force of one block on another.

F - Ff = 409 N

Or you could do Fnet = m * a and plug in 290 kg times 1.41 in which you will get 409 N.

Therefore,

A) 409 N
B) -409 N
 
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Thanks!

Quick question though. Since the masses are different and thus having different friciton forces, wouldn't the forces exerted by one block on the other be different?
 
Nope. If you push against the wall with a force of 50 Newtons, the wall pushes back on you with a force of 50 Newtons. This is how a scale works.
 

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