Solving x1 + hx2=2, 4x1+8x2=k for h and k

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The discussion revolves around a system of linear equations represented by the equations x1 + hx2 = 2 and 4x1 + 8x2 = k. Participants are tasked with determining values for h and k that yield no solution, a unique solution, and many solutions.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the system by setting up a matrix and performing row operations to explore conditions for different types of solutions.
  • Some participants question the implications of specific values for h and k, particularly regarding the conditions for no solution and many solutions.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the coefficients in the reduced-row echelon form and how they relate to the existence of solutions.
  • Participants raise questions about the assumptions made in the analysis, particularly concerning the importance of both -4h + 8 and -8 + k in determining the nature of the solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the conditions for different types of solutions. Some guidance has been offered on the implications of specific values for h and k, but there remains a lack of consensus on the interpretations of these conditions.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of linear algebra, specifically focusing on the conditions under which a system of equations can yield no solution, a unique solution, or infinitely many solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the role of the coefficients in the equations and the matrix representation.

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Homework Statement


Choose h and k such that the system has
a) no solution
b) a unique solution and,
c) many solutions.

Give separate answers for each part.

x1 + hx2=2
4x1+8x2=k

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the matrix

[1 h 2 ]
[4 8 k ]

and I multiplied the top row by -4 and added the 3rd row to it to get

[ 1 ----- h ----- 2 ---]
[ 0 (-4h+8) (-8+k) ]

To get part A) -no solution-, I figured that the 2nd column cannot equal 0, therefore if h=2, and k does not equal 8, then there is no solution.

Here is where I get lost...
I didn't get these answers that the book says:

For part B), unique solution, h does not equal 2...but what does that mean? If h doesn't equal 2 then that means it can take on any value besides 2, therefore k can be almost any value as well.

For part C), many solutions, that books says h=2 and k=8
So that means for the 2nd row you would get 0=0...so wouldn't we just disregard that? then we are left with the 1st row saying 1(x1)+2(x2)=2

I don't understand parts B and C.

Another question: Am I right to assume that we're just looking at -4h+8 here? Or should I also be considering -8+k??

Thanks!
 
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Do you know about determinants and Cramer's rule?
 
Nope I do not.
 
Ok! Solve the first equation for x_1 and substitude the result into the second one.
In order to solve the reduced equation for x_2 it's coefficient must be non-zero.
 
If you have learned what is reduced-row echelon forms for a matrix, then you would observe that in order for the unknowns to be solvable for 1 solution, then the reduced-row echelon form of the matrix is the identity matrix. You do know how to use elementary row operations, do you?

For the part C, note that is required that you obtain a row of 0s in your matrix for its reduced-row echelon form.
 
fk378 said:

Homework Statement


Choose h and k such that the system has
a) no solution
b) a unique solution and,
c) many solutions.

Give separate answers for each part.

x1 + hx2=2
4x1+8x2=k


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the matrix

[1 h 2 ]
[4 8 k ]

and I multiplied the top row by -4 and added the 3rd row to it to get

[ 1 ----- h ----- 2 ---]
[ 0 (-4h+8) (-8+k) ]

To get part A) -no solution-, I figured that the 2nd column cannot equal 0, therefore if h=2, and k does not equal 8, then there is no solution.

Here is where I get lost...
I didn't get these answers that the book says:

For part B), unique solution, h does not equal 2...but what does that mean? If h doesn't equal 2 then that means it can take on any value besides 2, therefore k can be almost any value as well.
That means exactly the opposite of what you said in part A. "If h= 2 and k does not equal 8, then there is no solution" If h is any number other than 2, then you can solve for x2 and so for x1. You will have exactly one solution.

For part C), many solutions, that books says h=2 and k=8
So that means for the 2nd row you would get 0=0...so wouldn't we just disregard that? then we are left with the 1st row saying 1(x1)+2(x2)=2
WHY did you say in part A "and k does not equal 8, then there is no solution"? In part A, if h= 2 and k is not 8 then you have, for the last row, 0 0 8-k, which is equivalent to the equation 0x1+ 0x2= 8-k. If 8-k is not 0, there are NO values of x1 and x2 which will satisfy that. If 8-k= 0, you have 0 0 0, equivalent to 0x1+0x2= 0 which is true for ALL x1, x2. You are, then left with the 1st row as you say. You could pick any number for, say, x1 and solve for x2: there are an infinite number of solutions.

I don't understand parts B and C.

Another question: Am I right to assume that we're just looking at -4h+8 here? Or should I also be considering -8+k??

Thanks!
To answer what question? As long as -4h+ 8 is not 0, then there exist a unique solution no matter what -8+ k is. But is -4h+ 8= 0, then -8+ k becomes important. If, in that case, -8+ k= 0, there are an infinite number of solutions. If -8+ k is not 0, then there exist NO solution.
 

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