Space & Time Axes Coinciding: Consequences Explored

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the time and space axes coinciding in the context of special relativity, particularly when considering inertial frames moving at speeds approaching the speed of light. Participants explore the theoretical and mathematical aspects of this scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that as an inertial frame approaches the speed of light, the time and space axes will coincide, prompting a question about the physical consequences of this coincidence.
  • Another participant argues that there are no physical consequences to using any coordinate transformation, emphasizing that a valid coordinate system requires a one-to-one mapping between events and points in R4.
  • A different participant asserts that it is impossible to describe a frame traveling at the speed of light, suggesting that such axes do not exist.
  • Further, another participant explains that while Lorentz transformations can approach the suggested result, no transformation can actually achieve it due to the invertibility of Lorentz transformations and their preservation of causal relationships between timelike and spacelike axes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the possibility and implications of coinciding axes, with some asserting that it cannot happen while others explore the theoretical consequences of such a scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the definitions of coordinate systems and the nature of Lorentz transformations, indicating unresolved mathematical and conceptual challenges in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying special relativity, coordinate transformations, and the mathematical foundations of physics.

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Let's consider two inertial frame S and S'. S' moves with speed v w.r.t S along x-axis towards the right. Now we can draw the two co-ordinates system.

The t' axes will make an angle arctan(v/c) with t axes rotated towards x-axis and similarly the x' axis will be tilted towards the t axes making the same angle with x axis. Now for a inertial frame moving with a velocity tending towards c , the t' and the x' axes will tend to coincide with each other.

What will be its physical consequence if they coincide?
 
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There is no physical consequence whatsoever to using any coordinate transform.

The mathematical consequence however is that you no longer have a valid coordinate system. All coordinate charts must be a 1 to 1 mapping between events and points in R4.
 
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You can't describe a frame traveling at the speed of light. So such axes do not exist.
 
Indeed, while there might a sequence of Lorentz transformations that approach the suggested result,
there is no such Lorentz transformation that obtains that result...
...since Lorentz transformations are invertible,
...since Lorentz transformations preserve the causal character of the timelike axis and of the spacelike axis.

In other words, no matter how close one gets to the suggested result,
there is a reference frame where those axes are back in the standard configuration.

So, as stated above by others, it can't happen.. those axes cannot coincide.
 

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