Space-time symmetry (Langrangian Mechanics)

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The discussion focuses on deriving the conserved quantity in the context of space-time symmetry using Lagrangian mechanics. The key transformation involves the Taylor expansion of the Lagrangian, L, and the function q(t) with respect to the parameter ε. The participants clarify that the term O(ε²) arises from the Taylor expansion, and the correct expression should include a factor of ε in the integral. The final formulation confirms that the relationship between the integrals holds true when properly expanded.

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When deriving the conserved quantity in the case of space-time symmetry, a line in my notes goes from:

[tex]\int{dt.(1+\epsilon\dot{\xi}).L[q(t+\epsilon\xi)+{\delta}q(t+\epsilon\xi)]} - \int{dt.L[q(t)+{\delta}q(t)]}[/tex]

where L is the Lagrangian and [tex]\xi[/tex] is a function of time and both integrals are over the same time interval, to:

[tex]\int{\dot{\xi}L+\xi\frac{dL}{dt}+O(\epsilon^{2})}[/tex]

I can't see how these two lines equal one another.

How does the [tex]O(\epsilon^{2})[/tex] come about?

Thanks.
 
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That would be the result of a Taylor expansion in [itex]\epsilon[/itex]. Also I think you're missing a factor in the last expression, and that it should be
[tex]\int \mathrm{d}t\,\epsilon\biggl(\dot{\xi}L + \xi\frac{\mathrm{d}L}{\mathrm{d}t}\biggr) + O(\epsilon^2)[/tex]
 
thanks diazona, much appreciated:

I tried Taylor expansion as you suggested (and I did get the right answer) but I am not sure whether I have done so mathematically correctly or not. Can you check whether or not I am on the right lines...

We have [tex]\int{dt.(1+\epsilon\dot{\xi(t)}).L[q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))+{\delta}q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))]} - \int{dt.L[q(t)+{\delta}q(t)]}[/tex]

start with [tex]L[q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))][/tex]

if we first Taylor expand the bit in parenthesis (ie. [tex]q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))[/tex]) we get

[tex]q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))=q(t)+\frac{{\partial}q(t)}{{\partial}t}\epsilon\xi(t)+...[/tex]

therefore[tex]L[q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))=L[q(t)+\frac{{\partial}q(t)}{{\partial}t}\epsilon\xi(t)+...][/tex]

This is equal to:

[tex]L(q)+\frac{{\partial}L}{{\partial}q}\frac{{\partial}q(t)}{{\partial}t}\epsilon\xi(t)+...[/tex]

but

[tex]\frac{{\partial}L}{{\partial}q}\frac{{\partial}q(t)}{{\partial}t} = \frac{{\partial}L}{{\partial}t}[/tex] (CANCELLING the 'dq's)

So:

[tex]L[q(t+\epsilon\xi(t))]=L(q)+\frac{{\partial}L}{{\partial}t}\epsilon\xi(t)+smaller terms][/tex]

Thanks.
 

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