Spacetime line element to describe an expanding cube

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around formulating a spacetime line element for an expanding cube in a cosmological context. Participants explore the implications of spatial homogeneity and the conditions of expansion, particularly focusing on how the cube elongates along the z-axis while maintaining a constant x-y shape.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the line element must include a scale factor a(t) to account for the expansion of the cube.
  • Another participant explains that spatial homogeneity implies the metric should not depend on spatial coordinates (x, y, z).
  • A proposed line element is presented as ds² = -c²dt² + dx² + dy² + a²(t)dz², with the condition that the scale factor's time derivative (dot a) is greater than zero.
  • There is a challenge regarding whether the proposed line element satisfies the condition of the cube's expansion, with a request for clarification on the physical meaning of this condition.
  • Participants discuss the concept of comoving coordinates, noting that the z-direction coordinates are being stretched while those in the x-y plane remain fixed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of the proposed line element in satisfying the conditions of the cube's expansion. There is no consensus on whether the line element meets the specified criteria, and multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of spatial homogeneity and the implications for the line element are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of spatial homogeneity and its relation to the proposed line element. The discussion includes assumptions about the physical meaning of the conditions and the nature of the expansion.

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Hi, I have to write a spacetime line element for the shape of a cube of cosmological dimensions. This cube is expanding like this:

i)With time, the cube becomes elongated along the z-axis, and the square x-y shape doesn't change.

ii)The line element must be spatially homogeneus. (I don't know what this means).

I think there must appear the scale factor a(t) because of the expansion, but I don't know how to use the conditions of the expansion.

For a cilinder, I would use something like this: [itex]dS^2=-dt^2+a^2(t)(R^2 d\theta^2+dz^2)[/itex] where R is the radius of the cilinder.

Any help?

Thanks!
 
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Spatially homogeneous means that your universe is translation-invariant. In other words, the metric cannot depend on x,y or z.

If the cube gets elongated in the z-direction, then you need at least two scale factors: one for z and one for x and y.
 
lailola said:
Hi, I have to write a spacetime line element for the shape of a cube of cosmological dimensions. This cube is expanding like this:

i)With time, the cube becomes elongated along the z-axis, and the square x-y shape doesn't change.

ii)The line element must be spatially homogeneus. (I don't know what this means).

I think there must appear the scale factor a(t) because of the expansion, but I don't know how to use the conditions of the expansion.

For a cilinder, I would use something like this: [itex]dS^2=-dt^2+a^2(t)(R^2 d\theta^2+dz^2)[/itex] where R is the radius of the cilinder.

Any help?

Thanks!

[tex]ds^{2} = -c^{2}dt^{2} + dx^{2} + dy^{2} + a^{2}(t)dz^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\dot a > 0[/tex]
 
RUTA said:
[tex]ds^{2} = -c^{2}dt^{2} + dx^{2} + dy^{2} + a^{2}(t)dz^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\dot a > 0[/tex]

Thanks for your answers.

Ruta, I don't get why that line element satisfies the first condition.
 
lailola said:
Thanks for your answers.

Ruta, I don't get why that line element satisfies the first condition.

This is certainly something you need to figure out before you can answer the question.

How would you know if something satisfies that condition? What does the condition mean, physically?
 
clamtrox said:
This is certainly something you need to figure out before you can answer the question.

How would you know if something satisfies that condition? What does the condition mean, physically?

It means that the area of the cube in the x-y plane is constant for every z. Doesn't it?
 
lailola said:
Thanks for your answers.

Ruta, I don't get why that line element satisfies the first condition.

Do you understand comoving coordinates? Those in the z direction are being "stretched" while those of in x-y plane remain fixed.
 

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