Special relativity, a train and a light pulse

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for a photon emitted from a bulb to reach a receptor in a moving train scenario, specifically under the framework of special relativity. Two approaches were presented: the first using length contraction, yielding the equation $$t' = \frac{2\sqrt{(L/2\gamma)^2 + d^2}}{c}$$, and the second employing Lorentz transformation, resulting in $$t' \approx \frac{2 \gamma \sqrt{(L/2)^2 + d^2}}{c}$$. The consensus is that the second method is correct as it accounts for the motion of the room relative to the train, while the first method fails to consider this critical factor.

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i am having some hard time thinking about this problem:

It is basically this:

Imagine a bulb and a receptor distant L from each other (at the same axis x) inside a room, the roof of the room is at a height d from the bulb and receptor. Now you are at a train moving horizontally, parallel to the x axis, with speed v. You are looking to the room. What time does it take in your reference frame to a photon emitted by the bulb to reach the receptor, in such way that the photon should reflect at the roof, and not be direct emitted along the closest distance between them.

The problem is that i am having two different answers, using different approach:

(1) The horizontal distance will be contract, so the time it take is $$t' = \frac{2\sqrt{(L/2\gamma)^2 + d^2}}{c}$$

(2) Using lorentz transformation, the time it take is $$t' = \gamma t - \gamma \beta \Delta x/c = \gamma (t -\Delta x \beta /c) = \gamma (2\sqrt{(L/2)^2 + d^2}/c - L \beta / c)$$

Now $$|\beta / c| << 1$$, so $$t' \approx \frac{2 \gamma \sqrt{(L/2)^2 + d^2}}{c} $$.

Since i should choose just one answer, i would say that the first one use more solid arguments, but still i can not say definitely if the first is in fact the right answer, or in another words, i am not able to refute the second answer.

So which one is right? what argument the wrong answer used? Thank you.
 
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You may be able to improve 1. The receptor is leaving so light has to travel more than the contracted train length in x.
 
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Can you make a diagram?
 
Herculi said:
So which one is right? what argument the wrong answer used?
The first method is wrong because it doesn't take into account the motion of the room in the train frame.

The second method is correct, but you cannot neglect the second term, as the first term may also be small.
 

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