Special relativity, a train and a light pulse

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The problem involves analyzing the time it takes for a photon emitted from a bulb to reach a receptor in a moving train frame, considering special relativity effects such as length contraction and Lorentz transformations. The scenario includes a bulb and receptor positioned at a distance L and height d, with the train moving parallel to the x-axis at speed v.

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  • The original poster presents two different approaches to calculate the time taken for the photon to reach the receptor, leading to different results. Some participants question the validity of the first approach, suggesting it may not account for the motion of the room as perceived from the train frame. Others propose creating a diagram to clarify the situation.

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Participants are actively discussing the merits of the two approaches, with some suggesting that the first method may be flawed due to its assumptions. The second method is noted as potentially more accurate, but there is a caution against neglecting certain terms in the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on which method is definitively correct.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of special relativity, particularly in relation to moving reference frames and the implications of length contraction. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the assumptions made in each approach and the potential impact on the results.

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i am having some hard time thinking about this problem:

It is basically this:

Imagine a bulb and a receptor distant L from each other (at the same axis x) inside a room, the roof of the room is at a height d from the bulb and receptor. Now you are at a train moving horizontally, parallel to the x axis, with speed v. You are looking to the room. What time does it take in your reference frame to a photon emitted by the bulb to reach the receptor, in such way that the photon should reflect at the roof, and not be direct emitted along the closest distance between them.

The problem is that i am having two different answers, using different approach:

(1) The horizontal distance will be contract, so the time it take is $$t' = \frac{2\sqrt{(L/2\gamma)^2 + d^2}}{c}$$

(2) Using lorentz transformation, the time it take is $$t' = \gamma t - \gamma \beta \Delta x/c = \gamma (t -\Delta x \beta /c) = \gamma (2\sqrt{(L/2)^2 + d^2}/c - L \beta / c)$$

Now $$|\beta / c| << 1$$, so $$t' \approx \frac{2 \gamma \sqrt{(L/2)^2 + d^2}}{c} $$.

Since i should choose just one answer, i would say that the first one use more solid arguments, but still i can not say definitely if the first is in fact the right answer, or in another words, i am not able to refute the second answer.

So which one is right? what argument the wrong answer used? Thank you.
 
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You may be able to improve 1. The receptor is leaving so light has to travel more than the contracted train length in x.
 
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Can you make a diagram?
 
Herculi said:
So which one is right? what argument the wrong answer used?
The first method is wrong because it doesn't take into account the motion of the room in the train frame.

The second method is correct, but you cannot neglect the second term, as the first term may also be small.
 

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