Special Relativity and Enganglement

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This discussion centers on the complexities of two-photon entanglement as analyzed through the lens of special relativity. Participants explore the implications of wavefunction collapse and the role of measurement in determining the states of entangled photons across different inertial frames. Key points include the distinction between correlation and causation in quantum mechanics, the abandonment of the "collapse" concept in favor of quantum decoherence, and the challenges posed by Block Time theory on realism. The conversation highlights the intricacies of simultaneity and state determination in relativistic quantum systems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum entanglement and Bell's theorem
  • Familiarity with special relativity and inertial frames
  • Knowledge of quantum decoherence and its implications
  • Basic grasp of wavefunction collapse and its historical context
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  • Research "Quantum Decoherence" and its impact on wavefunction collapse
  • Study "Bell's Theorem" and its implications for realism in quantum mechanics
  • Explore the concept of "Block Time" and its philosophical implications
  • Examine the relationship between measurement and entanglement in quantum systems
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Physicists, quantum mechanics students, and anyone interested in the philosophical implications of quantum entanglement and relativity.

  • #31
Well, it is a wordy stuff, which defines the word 'measurement' besed on some human concept of 'an experiment', 'find something'. It is poetry, not physics.

I need a binary-valued predicate, IsMeasurementDevice(system).
 
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  • #32
Dmitry67 and Calrid,

Does the measurement have to be observed by a conscious being in order for the two-photon system to snap into a definite eigenstate of UP and DOWN, or can the measurement apparatus itself perform adequately as the observer?
 
  • #33
If you adhere to the flavor where wavefunction is not real and collapse is just an information update, you can't avoid issues with the early universe: as 'wavefunction is underfined without measurement' (c) Calrid, and the very first measurement devices were possible only when Universe had cooled down enough so the information could be preserved in some system and there was a possibility for the systems, isolated from the environment to some extent, then the whole history of the early Universe appears to be non-realistic. Wavefunction was not defined at all in early Universe (?) until the very first measurement device had formed (magically from non-existent wavefunction?) when (?)

In a flavor where wavefunction is real, you have issues with relativity, described in the original post.
 
  • #34
Dmitry67 said:
If you adhere to the flavor where wavefunction is not real and collapse is just an information update, you can't avoid issues with the early universe: as 'wavefunction is underfined without measurement' (c) Calrid, and the very first measurement devices were possible only when Universe had cooled down enough so the information could be preserved in some system and there was a possibility for the systems, isolated from the environment to some extent, then the whole history of the early Universe appears to be non-realistic. Wavefunction was not defined at all in early Universe (?) until the very first measurement device had formed (magically from non-existent wavefunction?) when (?)

In a flavor where wavefunction is real, you have issues with relativity, described in the original post.

This is a fun discussion for sure, Dmitry67. Thanks for sharing.
 

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