Special Relativity and Enganglement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of special relativity and quantum entanglement, particularly regarding the behavior of two entangled photons as observed from different inertial frames. Participants explore the nature of wavefunction collapse, causality, and the interpretation of measurements in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving two observers measuring entangled photons and raises questions about reverse causality when events are viewed from different frames.
  • Another participant suggests that the wavefunction collapse occurs differently in each observer's frame, leading to potential contradictions regarding the timing of events.
  • Some participants argue that the measurement at one event does not influence the state of the other photon but rather changes the observer's knowledge of the system.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of accepting Block Time and how it relates to realism and the interpretation of quantum mechanics.
  • Participants mention the concept of quantum decoherence as a replacement for the traditional notion of wavefunction collapse.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the implications of their interpretations and the relationship between measurements in different frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of wavefunction collapse, causality, and the implications of different interpretations of quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on these issues, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of quantum theory and the evolving nature of interpretations, such as the abandonment of the Copenhagen Interpretation and the implications of quantum decoherence.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersections of quantum mechanics and relativity, particularly in the context of entanglement and the philosophical implications of different interpretations of quantum theory.

  • #31
Well, it is a wordy stuff, which defines the word 'measurement' besed on some human concept of 'an experiment', 'find something'. It is poetry, not physics.

I need a binary-valued predicate, IsMeasurementDevice(system).
 
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  • #32
Dmitry67 and Calrid,

Does the measurement have to be observed by a conscious being in order for the two-photon system to snap into a definite eigenstate of UP and DOWN, or can the measurement apparatus itself perform adequately as the observer?
 
  • #33
If you adhere to the flavor where wavefunction is not real and collapse is just an information update, you can't avoid issues with the early universe: as 'wavefunction is underfined without measurement' (c) Calrid, and the very first measurement devices were possible only when Universe had cooled down enough so the information could be preserved in some system and there was a possibility for the systems, isolated from the environment to some extent, then the whole history of the early Universe appears to be non-realistic. Wavefunction was not defined at all in early Universe (?) until the very first measurement device had formed (magically from non-existent wavefunction?) when (?)

In a flavor where wavefunction is real, you have issues with relativity, described in the original post.
 
  • #34
Dmitry67 said:
If you adhere to the flavor where wavefunction is not real and collapse is just an information update, you can't avoid issues with the early universe: as 'wavefunction is underfined without measurement' (c) Calrid, and the very first measurement devices were possible only when Universe had cooled down enough so the information could be preserved in some system and there was a possibility for the systems, isolated from the environment to some extent, then the whole history of the early Universe appears to be non-realistic. Wavefunction was not defined at all in early Universe (?) until the very first measurement device had formed (magically from non-existent wavefunction?) when (?)

In a flavor where wavefunction is real, you have issues with relativity, described in the original post.

This is a fun discussion for sure, Dmitry67. Thanks for sharing.
 

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