Special relativity & length contraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction in special relativity, particularly focusing on whether length contraction occurs when an object moves perpendicular to the observer's line of sight. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon through hypothetical scenarios involving moving objects, such as rings and boxes, and their observed dimensions from different frames of reference.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether length contraction occurs when the movement of an object is perpendicular to the observer, suggesting that it may not apply in such cases.
  • Another participant clarifies that length contraction is dependent on the observer's coordinate system, stating that contraction occurs along the axis parallel to the direction of motion, while the perpendicular axis remains uncontracted.
  • A hypothetical scenario involving two rings traveling towards each other at relativistic speeds is presented, where each ring perceives the other as contracted, leading to confusion about the implications of perpendicular observation.
  • A further example involving a cubical box is provided, illustrating that when the box moves at relativistic speeds along one axis, only the dimension along that axis contracts, while the other dimensions remain unchanged, resulting in a non-cubic appearance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of length contraction in relation to the observer's perspective, indicating that there is no consensus on the interpretation of the phenomenon when movement is perpendicular to the observer.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the observer's coordinate system and the orientation of objects are not fully explored, leaving room for ambiguity in the discussion. The implications of relativistic speeds on perceived dimensions are also context-dependent.

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Ive heard that length contraction does not occur when the movement of the object is perpendicular to the observer. Is this correct?

Say two identical rings were traveling at each other at relativistic speeds, whilst the observer is perpendicular to them. Ring A would see ring B contract and therefore pass through whereas ring B would see ring A contract and go through it. Since both can't contract AND pass through each other as seen by the perpendicular observer, it does not apply to perpendicular frames of reference.
 
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Denton said:
Ive heard that length contraction does not occur when the movement of the object is perpendicular to the observer. Is this correct?
What do you mean when you talk about movement that is "perpendicular to the observer"? "Observers" don't have one single angle that they measure things, they have coordinate systems which cover all of space. For any object, no matter what the direction, in the observer's own coordinate system the object's length will be contracted along the axis parallel to its direction of motion in that coordinate system, and uncontracted along the axis perpendicular to its direction of motion.
Denton said:
Say two identical rings were traveling at each other at relativistic speeds, whilst the observer is perpendicular to them. Ring A would see ring B contract and therefore pass through whereas ring B would see ring A contract and go through it.
This isn't very clear. Is the plane of each ring (the plane where the ring appears to be 'lying flat') perpendicular to its direction of motion? If so, only the ring's thickness will be contracted, its diameter won't be.
 
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oh right perpendicular to the object, not the observer. Never mind me.
 
let's say you have what you see as a perfect cubical shaped box when it is in your frame of reference (not moving relative to you). let's say the sides of the box are aligned with some perpendicular x, y, and z axes. now let's say that you fly that box past you in the direction of the x axis at some relativistic speed. the length of the side of the box along the x axis will be contracted, from your perspective, while the lengths of the sides along the y and z axes will not be contracted. the box will no longer look like a cube but will look squished in the x axis sense of direction, the same direction of relative movement.
 

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