I Length contraction in General Relativity

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In General Relativity (GR), a free-falling object appears length-contracted to a distant observer as it approaches a black hole's event horizon, which raises questions about the nature of length and simultaneity in curved spacetime. The discussion highlights that length contraction is a relative effect observed from different frames, while tidal forces can cause stretching, complicating the interpretation of length in strong gravitational fields. Observers in different frames may define length differently, and the concept of length becomes ambiguous in curved spacetime compared to flat spacetime. It is emphasized that while GR extends the principles of Special Relativity (SR), the two theories operate under different assumptions regarding simultaneity and curvature. Ultimately, the complexities of measuring length and understanding contraction in GR reflect the nuanced interplay between gravity and the geometry of spacetime.
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Demystifier said:
Page 234, "Suppose a light signal is directed ...". It describes an experimental procedure for measuring distances.
Which continues "...from some point B to an infinetesimally close point A..."
 
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martinbn said:
Which continues "...from some point B to an infinetesimally close point A..."
And later says that it can be integrated to finite distances (provided that metric is time-independent).
 
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Demystifier said:
And later says that it can be integrated to finite distances (provided that metric is time-independent).
We are going in circles. This is local. An observer can do that and say what the length of a stick is, if the stick is right next to him. What about a second observe, who is far away? What is he going to do to measure the stick's length? All this requires some conventions to be specified. It seems that the OP is unaware of that.

What exactly is your position? It is unclear to me what your point is.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Where are you getting this from? Do you have a reference?
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1959PhRv..116.1041T/abstract

Terrell says "Lorentz contraction can't be seen". Well, maybe the important thing in the paper is not that thing, but the rotation that can be seen. Anyway that is were I got the idea that Lorentz contraction can't be seen.

PeterDonis said:
Reference?
Well, my understanding of a Rindler-horizon is that it's a horizon were motion of stuff appears to freeze, as seen from far above the horizon. Now, if a ruler's one end near said horizon appears to be quite motionless, while the other end is still appears to be moving a little bit, then the length of the ruler appears to be decreasing. And here's some kind of reference about the last thing, that a person hovering above a large black hole sees the same effects as the person on an accelerating spaceship.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ple-and-rindler-horizons.1007879/post-6550886
 
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jartsa said:
Terrell says "Lorentz contraction can't be seen". Well, maybe the important thing in the paper is not that thing, but the rotation that can be seen. Anyway that is were I got the idea that Lorentz contraction can't be seen.
That depends a bit what you mean by "seen". Get a 1m long strip lamp and a 1m long piece of photo paper facing each other a centimetre or so apart and have a rod of rest length 1m pass between at 0.866c. Blink the light as the rod passes through and the shadow on the photo paper will be 0.5m long. However, if you stand and watch the rod or use a regular camera that we can model as pointlike then the light coming from the far end of the rod is older than the light from the near end, so you don't see the whole rod as it is at one time (per an Einstein frame) and this can sometimes counter the length contraction effect.
 
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