Specific heat of a piece of metal dropped in water

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a metal container with water and a piece of metal being dropped into it, requiring the calculation of the specific heat of the metal based on temperature changes in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the heat transfer equation and the relationship between the temperatures of the container, water, and metal piece. Some express confusion about the temperature changes required for the calculations.

Discussion Status

There are multiple equations being explored, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications regarding the setup. Guidance has been offered on how to structure the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying temperature changes and the potential for errors in the calculations due to program requirements.

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Homework Statement



A metal container, which has a mass of 8.0 kg contains 14.3 kg of water. A 2.9-kg piece of the same metal, initially at a temperature of 190.0°C, is dropped into the water. The container and the water initially have a temperature of 15.1°C and the final temperature of the entire system is 17.1°C. Calculate the specific heat of the metal.

Homework Equations



Q = c* m *change in T

The Attempt at a Solution



The heat of the container + the heat of the water = the heat of the piece of metal

using algebra I got the equation:

cwater*Mwater*change in Twater / [Mpiece*change in Tpiece - Mcontainer*change in Tcontainer]

I am having trouble figuring out the temperatures for the equation. Please help!
 
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Nearly right, The change in T for the container and the water is the same.

So the equation is
Cwater * Mwater * dT water + Cmetal * MContainer * dTwater = Cmetal * Mmetal *dTmetal

The only unknown is Cmetal.
 
Hi cyclonefb3,

There's no equality sign in your eqn.

Let t be the final temp. Then,

(14.3*Cw+8*Cm)(17.1-15.1) = (2.9*Cm)(190-17.1).

If Cwater is known, you can find Cm.
 
I think I have the dTpiece wrong this is what I'm entering:

41.86(14.3)(17.1-15.1) / [2.9*(190-15.1)] - [8*(17.1-15.1)]

I'm not sure where to go from here...
 
It would help if your equations had = signs!

Cwater * Mwater * dT water + Cmetal * MContainer * dTwater = Cmetal * Mmetal *dTmetal
4200 * 14.3 (17.1-15.1) + C * 8 (17.1-15.1) = C * 2.9 (190-17.1)
120120 = C (2.9*172.9 - 8*2)

Hint C for metals is generally a few hundred J/kg/k
 
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thanks, it was just he program being really picky with digits.
 

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