Spectral Lines: Scrambling & Differentiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of spectral lines from different elements, how they are 'scrambled' and differentiated when observed in a light beam from a light source. It explores the concepts of spectral analysis, the challenges of identifying spectral lines, and the tools available for such analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of the term 'single' light beam in the context of spectral lines and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant explains the process of observing light from celestial objects, noting that light is not seen as a beam but rather as a distribution across a cone, influenced by the telescope's geometry.
  • There is mention of the expected spectral lines from nearby stars, with a distinction made between emission and absorption lines based on the conditions of the light source and its environment.
  • Participants discuss the historical context of spectral analysis, highlighting the labor-intensive methods used before the advent of computers, which now facilitate the identification of spectral lines.
  • One participant offers to share software resources for spectroscopy, prompting a request for specific download links.
  • Another participant suggests searching for terms related to Astrospectroscopy and emphasizes the need for foundational knowledge in spectroscopy before using software tools.
  • Links to external resources on spectroscopy are provided for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and experience with spectroscopy, with some seeking basic information while others provide technical insights. There is no consensus on the initial question regarding the term 'single' light beam, and the discussion remains open-ended with multiple perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the nature of light observation and the complexities involved in spectral analysis. There are indications of varying levels of expertise among participants, which may influence the depth of the conversation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in astrophysics, spectroscopy, and the analysis of light from celestial sources may find this discussion beneficial, particularly those looking to understand the practical aspects of spectral analysis.

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How are different elements spectral lines naturally 'scrambled' and then differentiated by observation, into each and every element contained in a 'single' light beam emanating from a light source? Is the term 'single' correct in this context and if not can you explain why?
 
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roineust said:
How are different elements spectral lines naturally 'scrambled' and then differentiated by observation, into each and every element contained in a 'single' light beam emanating from a light source?
There are two parts to this question. We don't see a light beam. We just see light in a cone which has an angular width which basically depends on the geometry of our telescope system. Within the resolution of a scope an angularly large object appears as a distribution of smaller pixels. Light from each part of, say, a nebula or distant galaxy will vary across the different features. (That's the image we see)

So we look at light from one direction and pass it through a spectrometer. It the star / source is not too far away then all the spectral line components we see are 'expected' because the same elements are emitting (or very often we see absorption lines because the light from a hot object with a continuous spectrum has passed through a region which is relatively cold and low density.

There may be a lot of lines at different 'amplitudes'. Not many amateurs have actually gone to the trouble, these days, to identify the various 'series' from the measurements and it used to be done by hand with a magnifying glass, looking at a photographic plate. It was very hard work, I'm sure, but very do-able for someone with loads of time. Computers can do the job very quickly and reliably.

They can also recognise Patterns, even when Red shift has moved the wavelengths away from their original values. Hubble employed hundreds (at least dozens) of young women over many years to measure the shifts of all the spectra. General principle about Astronomy is that there's a lot of sweat involved even these days, using computers. The software is readily available. Fancy a go?
 
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sophiecentaur said:
The software is readily available.
Thanks, yes, can you tell me where to download that software?
 
roineust said:
Thanks, yes, can you tell me where to download that software?
You need to Google with terms like Astrospectroscopy. I know the information is out there because I have a friend who got into the topic and now does it with his own equipment. But you need more than just the software, don't you? What would you do with it if you didn't know the basics. I would go more general, with terms like chemical analysis by spectroscopy.
From your post, it seems to me that you are fairly fresh at the subject so you have to start at the beginning if you really want to make progress. (Most spectrometers are used to look at terrestrially produced light.)
 
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