Speed of light and particle acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of particle acceleration and the implications of relative speeds, particularly in the context of the speed of light. Participants explore the differences between classical and relativistic velocity addition, questioning whether two particles moving in opposite directions can have a relative speed exceeding the speed of light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether two particles, one accelerated to 298,000 km/s and another to 3,000 km/s, can have a relative speed greater than the speed of light when moving in opposite directions.
  • Another participant notes that using Galilean relativity would suggest a speed greater than c, but emphasizes that Galilean rules do not apply at speeds close to c.
  • A different participant confirms that while it is possible for the particles to move in opposite directions, their relative velocity cannot exceed the speed of light, highlighting the necessity of special relativity for accurate calculations.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for a resource that explains the addition of velocities in special relativity, indicating interest in further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the relative speed cannot exceed the speed of light and that special relativity must be applied. However, there is a debate regarding the implications of using Galilean versus Einsteinian velocity addition.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the applicability of classical mechanics at relativistic speeds and the need for a proper understanding of velocity addition in special relativity.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying physics, particularly in the areas of relativity and particle physics, as well as individuals curious about the implications of high-speed motion.

Swatje
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Hey lads,

This might be a stupid question, but I've been thinking about it.

Let's say, we make a visit to CERN particle accelerator... They accelerate a particle (or a football) to about 298 thousand km/s. (c = 300 thousand rounded). And then I accelerate a particle, or something else, to about 3000 km/s. And at the exact same moment, they move in opposite direction, so their relative speed is faster than 300 thousand km/s.

Is this possible?

Sorry if it's a stupid question...

Francis.
 
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If you add them using the rules of Galilean relativity, then you will get answer that suggests the particle should be traveling at a speed greater than c. But it is observed that the rules of Galilean relativity does not work at speeds close to c.*

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/einvel.html#c1

*Actually, the Einstein velocity-composition rule gives the 'right' answer in all cases, but at low speeds, the differences between Galilean and Einsteinian are negligible.
 
neutrino said:
If you add them using the rules of Galilean relativity, then you will get answer that suggests the particle should be traveling at a speed greater than c. But it is observed that the rules of Galilean relativity does not work at speeds close to c.*

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/einvel.html#c1

*Actually, the Einstein velocity-composition rule gives the 'right' answer in all cases, but at low speeds, the differences between Galilean and Einsteinian are negligible.

Wow thanks a lot for that website!

*i'm going to read* :D
 
Yes, it's possible, but no, the relative velocity is not greater than the speed of light. You need to invoke special relativity, and cannot simply add the velocities like you would in everyday life. Take a look at this webpage on Addition of velocities in Special Relativity
 

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