Speed of Light in All Reference Frames: A Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the speed of light in different reference frames, particularly in the context of special relativity. Participants explore hypothetical scenarios regarding moving at or near the speed of light and how that affects the perception of light's speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what it means to move at the speed of light and whether one would perceive light as being at rest or still moving at the speed of light in their frame of reference.
  • Others argue that moving at the speed of light is prohibited by relativity, rendering such questions meaningless as stated.
  • A participant suggests rephrasing the question to consider moving at 0.99c, indicating that both observers would measure light moving at speed c relative to themselves.
  • There is a reiteration that regardless of the speed (as long as it is less than the speed of light), observers will measure the speed of light as 3X10^8 m/s.
  • Some participants express confusion over the initial question and seek clarification on the implications of relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that moving at the speed of light is not possible according to relativity, but there is no consensus on the implications of hypothetical scenarios involving speeds close to light.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that moving at the speed of light is a valid scenario, which is contested by participants. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding relativistic effects and velocity addition.

Dr. Manoj
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It's said that, speed of light is same in every frame is reference. Consider an ideal situation, if I'm also moving at the speed of light, will I feel light to be at rest or still at the speed of light itself according to my frame of reference?
 
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Dr. Manoj said:
if I'm also moving at the speed of light
You cannot without violating relativity. Asking what relativity predicts if relativity cannot be applied is pointless.
 
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mfb said:
You cannot without violating relativity. Asking what relativity predicts if relativity cannot be applied is pointless.

Sorry, I did not get you.
 
The question you asked just does not make sense.

"If I do not exist, where do I live?"
 
Dr. Manoj said:
Consider an ideal situation, if I'm also moving at the speed of light, will I feel light to be at rest or still at the speed of light itself according to my frame of reference?
The problem is that relativity prohibits you from moving at the speed of light with respect to anything. That's why your question is meaningless as stated.

But we can change your question a bit so that it's answerable: What if you were moving at 0.99c with respect to me? If either you or I shine a beam of light, we would both measure that light to be moving at the usual speed c with respect to ourselves.

Does that help?
 
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Doc Al said:
But we can change your question a bit so that it's answerable: What if you were moving at 0.99c with respect to me? If either you or I shine a beam of light, we would both measure that light to be moving at the usual speed c with respect to ourselves.
What he said.

You might also try googling for "relativistic velocity addition", and search this forum for threads that mention that phrase.
If, having done that, you find yourself thinking "That is absurd. Why would anyone believe that? What proof is there?" check out the sticky thread at the top of this forum on experimental proof of relativity.
 
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Doc Al said:
The problem is that relativity prohibits you from moving at the speed of light with respect to anything. That's why your question is meaningless as stated.

But we can change your question a bit so that it's answerable: What if you were moving at 0.99c with respect to me? If either you or I shine a beam of light, we would both measure that light to be moving at the usual speed c with respect to ourselves.

Does that help?

Thank you for clearing my doubt. I got you. Means even if we are moving with whatever possible speed less than speed of light, with respect to the frame, we still see the speed of light to be 3X10^8 m/s only right?
 
Dr. Manoj said:
It's said that, speed of light is same in every frame is reference. Consider an ideal situation, if I'm also move at half of the speed of light, will I feel light to be still moving at the speed of light itself that is 3X10^8m/s according to my frame of reference?
 
mfb said:
The question you asked just does not make sense.

"If I do not exist, where do I live?"

Sorry I've reposted the corrected question again in comments please check it out. Thanks for correcting me
 
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Dr. Manoj said:
Means even if we are moving with whatever possible speed less than speed of light, with respect to the frame, we still see the speed of light to be 3X10^8 m/s only right?

Right.
 

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