Speed to give box up incline to reach top (work-energy theorem)

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The problem involves projecting a box up an incline with a constant slope angle α to reach a vertical height h, considering the effects of friction. The original poster is attempting to apply the work-energy theorem to determine the minimum speed required at the bottom of the incline.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the speed using the work-energy theorem but questions the correctness of their result. Participants discuss the relationship between cotangent and tangent, and how this affects the original equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the mathematical relationships involved, leading to a clarification for the original poster. There is recognition that the original answer is equivalent to the expected answer, suggesting a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants explore the implications of using cotangent in the context of the problem, questioning assumptions about the relationships between trigonometric functions.

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Hi guys,
I have come across a problem that I thought I was doing correctly but it seems I am not as my answer seems way too easy and is not the right one either. I don’t need the question worked out for me. I just need someone to give me a nudge in the right direction.

Homework Statement



“You must project a box up an incline of constant slope angle α so that it reaches a vertical distance h above the bottom of the incline. The incline is slippery but there is some friction present.
Use the work-energy theorem to calculate the minimum speed you must give the box at the bottom of the incline so that it will reach the top. Express your answer in terms of g, h, µ, and α.”

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt was using:

(1/2)mv2 = mgh + µmg cos(α) (h /sin(α))
with h / sin(α) being the hypotenuse(i.e. the distance up the ramp)

When I try to solve this for v I get to:

v = (2gh + 2µgh cot(α))1/2

However, the answer is supposed to be:

v = (2gh[1 + μ/tan(α)])1/2Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
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What is the relationship between cot x and tan x?
 
I don't know. I only arrived at cot(x) as a result of working out my original equation and it does not match the answer.
 
KurtWagner said:
I don't know. I only arrived at cot(x) as a result of working out my original equation and it does not match the answer.
You got cot α by rewriting cos α/sin α. What is tan α in terms of sin α and cos α?
 
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Wow. Thanks, that did it.

I changed cot α back to cos α/sin α and then divided by cos α, multiplied by sin α and kept going from there.

Thanks for your help.
 
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I know you've already solved the problem, but your answer is entirely equivalent to the given answer from the book or whatever. The 2gh is factored out and cot = 1/tan
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
I know you've already solved the problem, but your answer is entirely equivalent to the given answer from the book or whatever. The 2gh is factored out and cot = 1/tan


Thanks. That is a much easier way to do it.
 

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