Sphere enclosed in shell is expanded, find work done

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The problem involves a non-conducting sphere of radius 'R' and charge 'Q' enclosed by a spherical shell of radius '5R' and charge '4Q'. The task is to determine the work done when the inner sphere is expanded to a radius of '3R'. The discussion centers on the calculations of electric potential and energy associated with these charge configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the energy of the original sphere and the spherical shell separately, but question whether this approach is valid due to the non-linear nature of the electric field. There is a suggestion to find the potential difference between the initial and expanded configurations to determine the work done.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationship between the potential and energy of the charge configurations, while others are questioning the validity of separating the energies. There is a mix of approaches being considered, with no explicit consensus reached on the best method to calculate the work done.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the limits of integration for calculating work done and the need to account for the fields from both charge configurations together. There is also mention of homework constraints that may affect the approach taken.

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Homework Statement


Consider a non-conducting sphere of radius 'R' and charge 'Q' is enclosed by spherical shell of radius '5R' and charge '4Q'. If inner sphere is expanded to radius '3R'.Then amount of work done by the field in this process is

Homework Equations


W=ε0/2∫E2

The Attempt at a Solution


first find the energy of the non-conducting sphere of radius R and charge Q
W=ε0/2k2Q2(∫R 1/r4(r24π)dr + ∫0 R (r/R3)2 (4πr2)dr)
⇒ W=3kQ2 / 5R ---------------------------(1)

Similarly, find W for spherical shell
⇒ W=8kQ2/ 5R -------------------------(2)

Subtracting (2) from (1)
W= kQ2/5R = kQ2/R ----------------(3)

For the remaining part I'm confused...
Should I find the work done for the new expanded sphere(i.e. Radius = 3R) and subtract it from equation(3)..
If yes, then what limits should I take for the integral ∞ to 3R (for outside E) and 3R to 0 (for inside E)?

Am I going about the problem correctly or missing something?

Please help.
 
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gnrlies00 said:
Subtracting (2) from (1)
W= kQ2/5R = kQ2/R ----------------(3)

For the remaining part I'm confused...

Your confusion starts already before. You cannot compute the energies of the charge configurations separately as it is not linear in the field. Doing so neglects the potential between the configurations.
 
okay, does that mean I should find the potential difference between the sphere of radius R and spherical shell, and find the Energy.
then the potential of expanded sphere of radius 3R and spherical shell, find the energy.
and Difference in energy is the work done?
 
You can do it the way you indicated from the start, you just need to take the fields from both objects into account together.
 
potential on sphere of radius R
V=-kQ∫R1/r2dr = kQ/R ----------------(1)
potential on spherical shell is
V= 4kQ/5R -----------------(2)

(2)-(1)
V=kQ/5R--------------(3)

E=-∇V=kQ/5R2

⇒W=εo/2 ∫R5RE2
⇒W=εo/2 (kQ/5)2R5R 1/R2 4π dr = 2kQ2/5R ----------------(4)

Potential on sphere of radius 3R
V= kQ/3R -----------------(5)

(4)-(2)
V=7kQ/15R

E=-∇V=7kQ/15R2

W= εo/2 (7kQ/15)23R5R 1/R2 4π dr ----------------(6)

(6)-(4) is the answer

is this correct, I don't feel I'm in the right direction.




 

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