Spherical gas distributed symmetricaly over space

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic properties of a spherical gas distribution, specifically focusing on the energy in an infinitesimal spherical layer and the implications of the ideal gas law. Participants are examining the relationships between energy, pressure, volume, and the number of moles in the context of gas behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the validity of integrating the differentiated ideal gas law in relation to energy calculations. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about uniform pressure and temperature, as well as the implications of changing the number of moles in the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions underlying the integration process. There is a focus on understanding the conditions under which the equations apply, and some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between pressure, volume, and the number of moles.

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There are constraints related to the assumptions of uniform pressure and temperature throughout the gas, as well as the implications of changing the number of moles in the context of the ideal gas law. Participants are considering how these factors affect the validity of their mathematical approaches.

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Since the problem is long, and my doubt is very specific, I'll show it in a picture, it is the problem 6. But summing up, the question is in the item ii) where it is asked to calculate the total thermal energy of the gas.
Relevant Equations
U=nCvT ; PV=nRT;
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We have that energy in a infinitesimal Spherical layer with number of mols dn is:
dU=Cv.T.dn (1)
But by the ideal gas law:
PV=nRT (2)
Differentiation gives:
PdV+VdP=RTdn (3)
(3) in (1) and using CV=3R/2 (monoatomic)
gives:
dU=3/2.(PdV+VdP) (4)
Integration of (4) over the whole gas will not give the result expected. Where is my mistake?
 
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For (2) ##PV=nRT ##, the ## n ## in that formula is the total moles in a volume ## V ## at pressure ## P ## and temperature ## T ##. Changing the number of moles by ## dn ## at temperature ## T ##, (##dn ## uniformly distributed throughout the volume ##V ##), will result in the formula you obtained when you differentiated both sides. The integration of both sides of the equation, where you are completely changing the scenario to which the equation applies, is simply invalid.
 
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You say that equation 3 is valid, but it is not valid to integrate it over the whole volume ? This change of the scenario would be caused by what? Is it because of the gradient pressure, like if you were assuming all gas to be at the same thermodynamic equilibrium?
 
In the manner that you are using ## dn ##, you have a system at constant uniform pressure (and constant temperature), and ## n ## is proportional to ## V ##, so that ## dn=\frac{P \, dV}{RT} ##. Integrating both sides gives ##n=\frac{PV}{RT} ##.
 
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