Spivak Calculus 4th ed (Ch1 problem 7)

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The problem involves proving the inequality \(0

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various steps to prove the inequalities, including attempts to establish \(a < \sqrt{ab}\) and \( \sqrt{ab} < \frac{a+b}{2}\). Some participants suggest using the properties of squares and the relationship between \(a\) and \(b\) to derive the necessary inequalities.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning the validity of certain steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of squares and the implications of \( (a-b)^2 > 0 \) to help establish the inequalities.

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Participants note confusion regarding specific steps in the proof and the requirement to adhere to the homework template, indicating a structured approach to the problem-solving process.

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Prove that if 0<a<b, then [itex]a < \sqrt{ab} < \frac {a+b} {2} < b[/itex]

Please excuse if format is messy, this is my first time writing in Latex.

Suppose 0<a<b then 0<a+O =a (1). Since a<b we can can rewrite this using (1) which is a+0<b (2).
Adding a to both sides of (2) (closed under addition) we get 2a< a+b (3). Using the multiplicative inverse of 2, (3) now becomes ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## (4). Using the fact that a<b, ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ##
< ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a < \frac {b + b} {2} ## =b. Therefore a<b .

Here is were I am confused. I am missing the step were ## a < \sqrt {ab} ##. Can I say that a*b<a*a=a^2 ?
Then take the square root? If this is true how would I connect it with ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## ?

Strong criticism welcomed.
 
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MidgetDwarf said:
Prove that if 0<a<b, then [itex]a < \sqrt{ab} < \frac {a+b} {2} < b[/itex]

Please excuse if format is messy, this is my first time writing in Latex.

Suppose 0<a<b then 0<a+O =a (1). Since a<b we can can rewrite this using (1) which is a+0<b (2).
Adding a to both sides of (2) (closed under addition) we get 2a< a+b (3). Using the multiplicative inverse of 2, (3) now becomes ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## (4). Using the fact that a<b, ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ##
< ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a < \frac {b + b} {2} ## =b. Therefore a<b .

Here is were I am confused. I am missing the step were ## a < \sqrt {ab} ##. Can I say that a*b<a*a=a^2 ?
Then take the square root? If this is true how would I connect it with ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## ?

Strong criticism welcomed.
MidgetDwarf said:
## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ##
< ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a < \frac {b + b} {2} ## =b. Therefore a<b .
Here something went wrong.

For ##\sqrt {ab} \lt \frac {a+b}{2}##, you could use the following:
##(a+b)²>0,\ (a-b)²>0##.
 
I am thinking that 0<a<b

a<b
## a * a < a * b ##
## \sqrt{a*a} < \sqrt{a*b} ##
## a + b < \sqrt{a*b} + b < \sqrt{b*b} +b= 2*b ##
(a+b)/2 < b ?

I am thinking this is correct.
 
Samy_A said:
Here something went wrong.

For ##\sqrt {ab} \lt \frac {a+b}{2}##, you could use the following:
##(a+b)²>0,\ (a-b)²>0##.

this come from the fact that if a<b then b^2-a^2= (b-a)(b+a)?
 
MidgetDwarf said:
I am thinking that 0<a<b

a<b
## a * a < a * b ##
## \sqrt{a*a} < \sqrt{a*b} ##
## a + b < \sqrt{a*b} + b < \sqrt{b*b} +b= 2*b ##
(a+b)/2 < b ?

I am thinking this is correct.
This is needlessly complicated:
##\frac{a+b}{2} \lt \frac{b+b}{2}=b## is all you need for the last inequality.

What I meant with "something went wrong" was about the following:
MidgetDwarf said:
< ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a < \frac {b + b} {2} ## =b. Therefore a<b
##\frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a## is obviously wrong, probably a typo.
MidgetDwarf said:
this come from the fact that if a<b then b^2-a^2= (b-a)(b+a)?
I don't see how that helps you in proving the missing piece: ##\sqrt {ab}< \frac {a + b} {2}##
You could square both sides and calculate the difference. That's where ##(a-b)²>0## will help.
 
Samy_A said:
This is needlessly complicated:
##\frac{a+b}{2} \lt \frac{b+b}{2}=b## is all you need for the last inequality.

What I meant with "something went wrong" was about the following:
##\frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a## is obviously wrong, probably a typo.
I don't see how that helps you in proving the missing piece: ##\sqrt {ab}< \frac {a + b} {2}##
You could square both sides and calculate the difference. That's where ##(a-b)²>0## will help.

Ahh very clever would have never thought about (a-b)^2 >0 part. By using this fact, it we just play with addition and subtraction of these terms. Thanks a lot.
 
MidgetDwarf said:
Prove that if 0<a<b, then [itex]a < \sqrt{ab} < \frac {a+b} {2} < b[/itex]

Please excuse if format is messy, this is my first time writing in Latex.

Suppose 0<a<b then 0<a+O =a (1). Since a<b we can can rewrite this using (1) which is a+0<b (2).
Adding a to both sides of (2) (closed under addition) we get 2a< a+b (3). Using the multiplicative inverse of 2, (3) now becomes ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## (4). Using the fact that a<b, ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ##
< ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## < ## a < \frac {b + b} {2} ## =b. Therefore a<b .

Here is were I am confused. I am missing the step were ## a < \sqrt {ab} ##. Can I say that a*b<a*a=a^2 ?
Then take the square root? If this is true how would I connect it with ## a < \frac {a + b} {2} ## ?

Strong criticism welcomed.
@MidgetDwarf, in future posts, please don't delete the homework template. Its use is required in problems posted in the Homework sections.
 
Thanks Mark for informing.
 

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