Spivak Ch. 5 Limits, problem 6

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The problem involves analyzing the behavior of two functions, f and g, near the point x = 2, specifically in relation to limits and their product. The context is rooted in the study of limits as presented in Spivak's calculus text.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of certain fractions in a solution, with one participant questioning their origin and another suggesting algebraic manipulations to simplify the expressions. There is also a focus on making substitutions to clarify the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering suggestions for algebraic approaches and clarifications. Some participants express gratitude for the guidance received, indicating a collaborative atmosphere. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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There is mention of a lemma that may provide insight into the solution, suggesting that certain algebraic manipulations might not be necessary. The participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem while exploring different interpretations of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement


Suppose the functions f and g have the following property: for all ε > 0 and all x,

If [itex]0 < \left| x-2 \right| < \sin^{2} \left( \frac{\varepsilon^{2}}{9} \right) + \varepsilon[/itex], then [itex]\left| f(x) - 2 \right| < \varepsilon[/itex].

If [itex]0 < \left| x - 2 \right| < \varepsilon^{2}[/itex] then [itex]\left| g(x) - 4 \right| < \varepsilon[/itex].

For each [itex]\varepsilon > 0[/itex] find a [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] such that for all x:


ii) if [itex]0 < \left| x-2 \right| < \delta[/itex], then [itex]\left| f(x)g(x) - 8 \right| < \varepsilon[/itex].


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The solution book says:

We need: [itex]\left| f(x) - 2 \right| < min \left( 1, \frac{\varepsilon}{2 (\left| 4 \right| + 1)} \right)[/itex] and [itex]\left| g(x) - 4 \right| < \frac{\varepsilon} {2 (\left| 2 \right|) + 1}[/itex].

My question is: How did they get these fractions in the solution? I've multiplied [itex]\left| f(x) - 2 \right|[/itex] and [itex]\left| g(x) - 4 \right|[/itex] to get [itex]\left| f(x)g(x) - 4f(x) - 2g(x) + 8 \right|[/itex]. Am I going in the right direction?
 
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That g in the denominator in the first line is g(x)?
I would start by making some simplifying substitutions: u = x+2, F(u) = f(x)-2, G(u) = g(x)-4.
 
The denominator in the first line is 9, not g.
 
QuantumP7 said:
My question is: How did they get these fractions in the solution? I've multiplied [itex]\left| f(x) - 2 \right|[/itex] and [itex]\left| g(x) - 4 \right|[/itex] to get [itex]\left| f(x)g(x) - 4f(x) - 2g(x) + 8 \right|[/itex]. Am I going in the right direction?
You'll have to do some more algebra to get it into a useful form. Here's a suggestion for how to start:
$$f(x)g(x) - 8 = (f(x) - 2)(g(x) - 4) + 4f(x) + 2g(x) - 16$$
Now see if you can do some more manipulations on the right hand side. You want to get more terms containing (f(x) - 2) and (g(x) - 4).
 
Thank you guys SO much!

jbunniii, that's exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!
 
A note for future visitors: the solution follows directly from part (2) of the lemma. No need for the algebraic manipulations.
 

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