Spivak - Radioactivity and the Exponential Function

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of radioactivity, specifically focusing on the mathematical modeling of radioactive decay using differential equations. The original poster presents a formulation of the decay process and expresses confusion regarding the physical implications of their solution.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the function A(t) representing the amount of a radioactive substance over time, based on the differential equation A'(t) = p * A(t). They express concern about the physical interpretation of their solution, particularly regarding the behavior of the function as time progresses.
  • Some participants question the sign of the constant p, suggesting that the equation should reflect a decay process rather than growth.
  • Others explore the implications of defining p as a negative quantity and discuss the nature of probability in this context.

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Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the nature of the decay constant p and its interpretation as a probability, highlighting potential misunderstandings in the original formulation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A radioactive substance diminishes at a rate proportional to the amount present (since all atoms have equal probability of disintegrating, ...). If A(t) is the amount at time t, this means that A'(t)= p * A(t) for some p representing the probability that an atom will disintegrate in one unit of time.

Find A(t) in terms of the amount A(0) present at time 0.

I have solved the problem, and have checked the solutions manual and am correct. However, this at least seems to me to give the wrong physical result. I am definitely wrong here, and am curious why I am wrong.


Homework Equations



just the one mentioned above, A'(t) = p * A(t).


The Attempt at a Solution



My solution:

Rearranging the equation gives A'(t)/A(t) = log(A(t)) ' = p implies that log(A(t)) = p*t + K for some constant K. Then A(t) = exp(pt + K). To find K, we simply plug in t = 0, and K = log(A(0)), or A(0) = exp(K). Then A(t) = A(0) * exp(pt).

Mathematically, I do not see much wrong with this (except for the case where the initial amount is zero). What I am curious about is the formula itself: if the probability is a positive quantity less than 1 (say, 75%), and A(0) is say, one unit of mass, then the amount of substance seems to increase with time, as the function describing the behavior is exp(0.75t), which gets large as t gets large.

Where am I wrong? I certainly am not a crackpot who has "proved math wrong", so I am assuming that I have made a flaw somewhere (and it probably isn't the formula itself, as this is the one given by the book which I trust fairly well).
 
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I see the problem - or at least I think I do. The original equation should be A'(t) = -pA(t), because the amount shrinks proportionately to the amount, not grows!

The solution to this new equation is A(0)e^-pt, one that at least I find somewhat beautiful and validates some of the intuition-y characterizations of e as something that involves "continuous self-referential growth".
 
Or your "p" is a negative number to begin with.
 
But isn't "p" supposed to be the probability that the particle decays? How could the probability be negative?
 
Yes, you are right. I had passed over that part of your original post.
 

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