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Spontaneous Process and Irreversibility

  1. Dec 31, 2011 #1
    My problem is following this picture!!
    http://mykomica.org/boards/shieiuping/physics/src/1325318780058.jpg [Broken]
    If the system is isolated, dQ is always zero. Sb-Sa ≥0
    And it satisfies the requirement of spontaneousness in isolated systems.
    So ,I do wonder if irreversible process is always spontaneous!!
    Am I Right?
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  3. Dec 31, 2011 #2

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    Note: Your picture isn't coming across.

    You have it backwards. Every spontaneous process is irreversible, but not every irreversible process is spontaneous.
  4. Dec 31, 2011 #3
    A process which is irreversible is the one results in energy loss in the form of heat (dissipation) due to friction ,viscosity etc.As these are involved in processes other than natural ones- eg.,rubbing a stone againast a wall in vertically upward direction- irreversible processes need not be natural or spontaneous ones.
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