Spring Mass system where springs also have mass

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This discussion focuses on modeling a spring mass system where the springs themselves possess mass. The user seeks guidance on calculating potential energy and forces in a configuration involving two masses connected by three springs. The potential energy is expressed as mgx + 1/2k(x+δ)², and the application of Lagrange's equations is suggested for deriving the equations of motion. Understanding the concept of effective mass is also highlighted as crucial for this modeling task.

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hello all,
this will be my third time posting this question, i thought perhaps posting in the homework section might have it be answered. Recently I have been attempting to model a spring system (see below) where the springs themselves will have mass. I should know how to do this but i accept defeat, how do you model the potential energy and force system on two masses connected to three springs? I have read about effective mass but i fail to fully understand. Thank you all for the celerity.
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In this design the spring system is vertical and grounded on both ends. Many thanks!
 
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well the potential would just be mgx+ 1/2k(x+δ)2 if you plan to use Lagrange's equations to get your equations of motion.

The center of mass of the spring would move down the distance x as well as the mass m.
 

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