Simple harmonic motion and static equilibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving simple harmonic motion and static equilibrium of a spring-mass system. Participants are tasked with determining the position of a mass after a specific time when released from an unstretched position.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem statement and relevant equations for static equilibrium and motion of the mass-spring system.
  • Another participant asks if others know how to solve a second-order, constant coefficient, homogeneous differential equation, specifically the initial value problem given.
  • A participant expresses confusion, stating their solution leads to the position being zero for all time, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the initial conditions or the problem setup.
  • Another participant suggests modifying the initial condition to x(0) = 0.25, arguing that this reflects the spring's equilibrium position and the initial displacement when released.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not seem to reach a consensus on the correct initial conditions or the interpretation of the problem, indicating multiple competing views on how to approach the solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding initial conditions and their impact on the solution of the differential equation. There is also an unresolved aspect concerning the correct application of the equations of motion for the system.

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Homework Statement


In static equilibrium a spring is stretched 0.25 m by a hanging mass. If the system is initially moved up to the unstretched position and released with zero velocity, determine position of the mass (in m) after 4.2s. Take the equilibrium position to be zero and up the positive direction.

Homework Equations



at equilibrium
-kx+mg = 0
m(x double dot (t)) + kx(t) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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oceanwalk said:

Homework Statement


In static equilibrium a spring is stretched 0.25 m by a hanging mass. If the system is initially moved up to the unstretched position and released with zero velocity, determine position of the mass (in m) after 4.2s. Take the equilibrium position to be zero and up the positive direction.

Homework Equations



at equilibrium
-kx+mg = 0
m(x double dot (t)) + kx(t) = 0
Do you know how to solve a 2nd-order, constant coefficient, homogeneous differential equation?
This is the initial value problem:
x''(t) + (k/m)x(t) = 0, with initial conditios x(0) = 0, x'(0) = 0
 
Mark44 said:
Do you know how to solve a 2nd-order, constant coefficient, homogeneous differential equation?
This is the initial value problem:
x''(t) + (k/m)x(t) = 0, with initial conditios x(0) = 0, x'(0) = 0


Ok, I must not know how to do it correctly because I'm getting it to equal zero for all time.

Solving the equation you gave me:
x(t) = C2 sin(sqrt(a) t) + C1 cos(sqrt(a) t) = 0
using the initial conditions
C2 = 0 , C1 = 0

as such, x(t) = 0 for all time
 
Try it with one change: x(0) = 0.25. This means that we are taking the origin to be the point where the spring is in static equilibrium. Raising it .25 m. and then letting it go means x(0) = .25 and x'(0) = 0.
 

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