Star Trek: Into Darkness trailer and thoughts

[DiracPool]

Oh, yeah, Saw it last weekend at the Regal RPX in 3D, that's Regal's version of IMAX.

I have a one word review for the movie (don't worry, it's not a spoiler):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7c

 

[dkotschessaa]

Finally watched. My wife actually went along, because she likes sherlock/eggs benedict cumberbuns or whatever his name is.

I just had to shut off the voices in my head going "huh?" and go along with the ride and pretend it was something completely other than Star trek (Except when I had to explain stuff to my wife).

Then we watched Iron man III in the same theatre. I have the best wife ever.

-Dave K

 

[OmCheeto]

Finally watched. My wife actually went along, because she likes sherlock/eggs benedict cumberbuns or whatever his name is.

I just had to shut off the voices in my head going "huh?" and go along with the ride and pretend it was something completely other than Star trek (Except when I had to explain stuff to my wife).

Then we watched Iron man III in the same theatre. I have the best wife ever.

-Dave K

You do realize of course, that everyone at the forum, wants to kill you, and marry your wife.

 

[OmCheeto]

Oh, yeah, Saw it last weekend at the Regal RPX in 3D, that's Regal's version of IMAX.

I have a one word review for the movie (don't worry, it's not a spoiler):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7c

Noooooo!

I so want Shakespeare back...

Or, at least, that guy from "The Sound of Muzak"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg58hVEY5Og

Cry Havoc! And, and let slip the dogs of war...

I think I'll watch it in 3D this weekend.

 

[dkotschessaa]

You do realize of course, that everyone at the forum, wants to kill you, and marry your wife.

Used to it.

 

[DiracPool]

Oh, yeah, Saw it last weekend at the Regal RPX in 3D, that's Regal's version of IMAX.

I have a one word review for the movie (don't worry, it's not a spoiler):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV9jqtHbAK4

You decide...Once more, WITH PASSION!

 

[Janus]

Okay, how many noticed this in the scene where Kirk meets with Admiral Marcus:

There is a line up of models on a table/counter. Starting with a Wright biplane working its way up through a Saturn V and space shuttle and beyond.
It included:
1. The Phoenix (Cochrane's warp ship from "First Contact")
2. The ship that is the second from the right in this shot from STTMP, which shows ships that were named "Enterprise".
3. The Enterprise (NX-01) from the series "Enterprise".
4. The Kelvin (Star Trek 2009)
5. The Enterprise (NCC-1701)

 

[davenn]

Okay, how many noticed this in the scene where Kirk meets with Admiral Marcus:

There is a line up of models on a table/counter. Starting with a Wright biplane working its way up through a Saturn V and space shuttle and beyond.
It included:
1. The Phoenix (Cochrane's warp ship from "First Contact")
2. The ship that is the second from the right in this shot from STTMP, which shows ships that were named "Enterprise".
3. The Enterprise (NX-01) from the series "Enterprise".
4. The Kelvin (Star Trek 2009)
5. The Enterprise (NCC-1701)

dang nice spotting, Janus

I saw the lineup in passing but didnt make those connections

I enjoyed the movie, yup as did my wife also, she wasnt really into the original series or DS9
but next gen and voyager and the last ~ 4 movies she enjoyed.

I was interested to see the retake on Kirk's old nemesis, had to do some background explaining to my wife (cuz of her lack of the orig series knowledge)

Yup she also enjoys the Ironman series of movies

2 great movies, its nice to escape the harsh realities of life for an hour or so and get lost in some sci fi fantasy

Dave

 

[dkotschessaa]

On a related note, giving DS9 another go today on Netflix...

 

[jostpuur]

The beginning was good. It was funny, and had a nice trekkie feeling.

The ending was bad. Everybody's happy but McCoy and Scott are complaining about something and Kirk says "take us out there" (or something like that...). Isn't that getting little old? Or "archetypical"? (I'm not sure if I'm using a word correctly, but something like that...)

I guess Star Trek isn't Star Trek if McCoy and Scott aren't complaining about something, but IMO the writers should put some effort into not going too cheap.

In between the start and end, and among the complaining McCoy and Scott, was an ok action story. It dealt with the theme "fighting evil with evil" critically, so I wouldn't complain about the politics. Fits our time well.

 

[Mordred]

good movie, loved some of the scenes, still prefer Khan from the motion picture. He knew how to stress his superiority lol.

the one part I laughed at was when Khan teleported from Earth to some planet in Klingon space in the neutral zone? If they could teleport that far why do they need starships lol.

in the original series the neutral zone resulted from battling the klingons during the 5 year mission. For that matter that was when khan was first introduced was during the 5 year mission.

In the movie the neutral zone was already in place.

still a good movie but easy to nit pick apart lol

 

[davenn]

good movie, loved some of the scenes, still prefer Khan from the motion picture. He knew how to stress his superiority lol.

the one part I laughed at was when Khan teleported from Earth to some planet in Klingon space in the neutral zone? If they could teleport that far why do they need starships lol.

in the original series the neutral zone resulted from battling the klingons during the 5 year mission. For that matter that was when khan was first introduced was during the 5 year mission.

In the movie the neutral zone was already in place.

still a good movie but easy to nit pick apart lol

true, true ... agree with a lot of that

still a good movie but easy to nit pick apart lol

I guess the thing is, that these latest couple of star trek movies are introducing a whole new generation to the genre. Most of which have either never heard of the original series or even born when it came out. So those inconsistencies with the timeline etc would not be known to them and hence wouldn't matter.

Even being a ST diehard, I can still happily accept this latest rendition as a different take on the old theme.

Many other movies are doing that these days, look at the variations between the original and the remake of movies such as ...
The day the Earth stood still
War of the Worlds
Superman and the latest rendition ... Man of Steel

to name several

and to be honest, even with the low tech presence in the old versions, I still prefer them

cheers
Dave

 

[davenn]

Cry Havoc! And, and let slip the dogs of war...

this quote from Shakespeare got me googling for other references used in star trek
there's quite a bit of info out there, a couple for example ...

http://public.wsu.edu/~delahoyd/shakespeare/star.trek.html

and

http://englishscholar.com/shakespeare_startrek.htm

similar in their listings, but still fun to read through :)

Dave

 

[Janus]

good movie, loved some of the scenes, still prefer Khan from the motion picture. He knew how to stress his superiority lol.

the one part I laughed at was when Khan teleported from Earth to some planet in Klingon space in the neutral zone? If they could teleport that far why do they need starships lol.

Here's the only explanation that I can come with. This ability is only due to Mr. Scott's trans-warp beaming equations. Originally, he did not come up we these equations until much later. The only reason they have them now is that "future Spock" was aware of them. I assume that Scott developed these equations some time after the TNG episode "Relics".
The Starfleet of the new time line has classified this knowledge. Khan was able to steal or fabricate a working unit. It could even be that the ability to transport that far a distance was a modification that Khan made himself.

I assume that trans-warp beaming only works if you already have coordinates for your destination. You would still need ships to explore and plot out unexplored regions.

in the original series the neutral zone resulted from battling the klingons during the 5 year mission. For that matter that was when khan was first introduced was during the 5 year mission.

In the movie the neutral zone was already in place.

There never was a Klingon/Federation neutral zone in the original series. the Neutral zone was between the Federation and the Romulans. The Federation and Klingons had a "disputed area" established by the Organian Peace Treaty. In the Treaty, both parties could travel in that area freely, but to claim a planet in it they had to show that they develop it the best. (An example was the dispute over Sherman's planet.

The whole idea of a Klingon neutral zone was introduced in "The Wrath of Khan" with the Kobyashi Maru test. My guess is that the original script was to use the Romulan Neutral Zone, but the studio, decided that since they already had stock footage of Klingon ships from the First movie, they could save money by replacing Romulan with Klingon in the script. One give away is when it is stated that "Klingons don't take prisoners". This was not something established for Klingons, but was established for the Romulans.

still a good movie but easy to nit pick apart lol

Just about any movie can be nit picked apart.

 

[HayleySarg]

I could type out a novel about how I truly feel, details and all. What it comes down to, is:

This was a great movie, but in my eyes, not the best Trek movie. I feel that for the sake of making a $$$ film, they gave away a little too much of the true identity of Star Trek.

I also felt it was a lot of bang, and not enough story telling. Trans-warp was sort of a deus ex machina. Oh hey this bad guy needs to get far away, fast, so let's uh, yeah, portable transwarp. Ugh. But hey, good movie or what it's worth.

On a related note, giving DS9 another go today on Netflix...

Good for you. It took some time for me to truly enjoy DS9, but now that I'm a bit mature, I'm finding it to be enjoyable. It's a lot less tech and a lot more morals/ethics. I feel they did okay with character development. My only complaint is that Jadzia Dax is more for looking at than doing science. She only has a few great science-officer moments. But otherwise, she's an amazing character imho. I know some people don't feel that way. Then again, I also like Janeway. So, maybe take my opinion with a grain of salt.

 

[Janus]

I could type out a novel about how I truly feel, details and all. What it comes down to, is:

This was a great movie, but in my eyes, not the best Trek movie. I feel that for the sake of making a $$$ film, they gave away a little too much of the true identity of Star Trek.

It goes with the territory. Star Trek translates best as a TV series; that's where its "identity" shines. There you can do an episode like "Data's Day", which is not something a movie audience would sit through. And to be quite frank, I don't think any movie could truly capture the "identity" of Star Trek, because so many people identify with Star trek in so many different way,

Trans-warp was sort of a deus ex machina. Oh hey this bad guy needs to get far away, fast, so let's uh, yeah, portable transwarp. Ugh. But hey, good movie or what it's worth.

To be fair, the transporter itself is much the same. It was only introduced as a way to get our characters into the story as fast as possible. And that in itself led to its own problems. They always had to come up with reasons why they just couldn't beam a landing party out of trouble. Just think of how many episodes started with a party beaming down perfectly fine, and then something happens to interfere with the transporter.

 

[OmCheeto]

Here's the only explanation that I can come with. This ability is only due to Mr. Scott's trans-warp beaming equations. Originally, he did not come up we these equations until much later. The only reason they have them now is that "future Spock" was aware of them. I assume that Scott developed these equations some time after the TNG episode "Relics".
The Starfleet of the new time line has classified this knowledge. Khan was able to steal or fabricate a working unit. It could even be that the ability to transport that far a distance was a modification that Khan made himself.

I assume that trans-warp beaming only works if you already have coordinates for your destination. You would still need ships to explore and plot out unexplored regions.
There never was a Klingon/Federation neutral zone in the original series. the Neutral zone was between the Federation and the Romulans. The Federation and Klingons had a "disputed area" established by the Organian Peace Treaty. In the Treaty, both parties could travel in that area freely, but to claim a planet in it they had to show that they develop it the best. (An example was the dispute over Sherman's planet.

Just about any movie can be nit picked apart.

I seem to remember that Roddenberry's original concept was to have no ships, and simply have people "beam" around the galaxy/universe. But the studio execs wouldn't buy having a level zero species having much fun with level 2 species technologies.

I think I agree with the execs decision.

I mean really, we hadn't even been to the moon in '66.
It was all Corvettes and non-hybrid Ferraris back then.

Varooom!

 

[Borg]

Has anyone seen the "honest trailer" for the previous movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTfBH-XFdSc

Here's the one for Into Darkness. So, the common thread in the series is now lens flares?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B22Uy7SBe4