Static equilibrium with a suspended sphere on a wall

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The discussion revolves around a static equilibrium problem involving a suspended sphere against a wall, focusing on the forces acting on the sphere, including normal force, frictional force, and tension. Participants are analyzing the equations of equilibrium and the relationships between these forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equilibrium equations, including the sum of forces in both x and y directions, and the torque equation. There is a focus on verifying the trigonometric components used in the equations. Questions arise regarding the relationship between frictional force and the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking trigonometric functions and the relationship between frictional force and normal force. There is an exploration of the implications of the equations set up, with acknowledgment of the potential to derive numerical values from the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about how variables can cancel out to yield computable values, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the problem-solving process in physics.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fi = 0
[tex]\Sigma[/tex][tex]\tau[/tex] = 0

Nw = force of the wall
Ff = Frictional force
[tex]\mu[/tex] = frictional coefficient
T = Tension


The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fx = Nw - Tsin(30) = 0

[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy = -mg + Tcos(30) + Ff = 0

[tex]\Sigma[/tex][tex]\tau[/tex] = (R/2)mg - (3/2)R*Ff = 0

That's what i have, but i have a feeling that I'm missing something. Any help would be great. Especially if it's Doc Al!

Thanks
Tom
 
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gills said:
[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fx = Nw - Tsin(30) = 0

[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy = -mg + Tcos(30) + Ff = 0
Right idea, but check your sines and cosines.

[tex]\Sigma[/tex][tex]\tau[/tex] = (R/2)mg - (3/2)R*Ff = 0
Good!

The only thing you're missing is the relationship between the force of friction and [itex]\mu[/itex]. What is it?
 
Doc Al said:
Right idea, but check your sines and cosines.


Good!

The only thing you're missing is the relationship between the force of friction and [itex]\mu[/itex]. What is it?

Doc,

I think the trig is correct. Unless I'm smoking something, but the opposite of that 30 degree angle is the x component of T, right? And the adjacent is the y component? Unless you want me to use Tcos60 for the xcomponent and Tsin60 for the y?

Anyway --->

Ff = [tex]\mu[/tex]Nw --->

Nw = Tsin30 --> from the x-components, so -->

Ff = [tex]\mu[/tex]*Tsin30
 
gills said:
I think the trig is correct. Unless I'm smoking something, but the opposite of that 30 degree angle is the x component of T, right? And the adjacent is the y component?
Yep, you're right. (D'oh!)


Anyway --->

Ff = [tex]\mu[/tex]Nw --->

Nw = Tsin30 --> from the x-components, so -->

Ff = [tex]\mu[/tex]*Tsin30
Right. So solve those equations together and you'll find the value for [itex]\mu[/itex].
 
Doc Al said:
Yep, you're right. (D'oh!)



Right. So solve those equations together and you'll find the value for [itex]\mu[/itex].

worked out on paper, i got 0.866 which is the right answer!

You know what confuses me the most is that you can solve for an actual number in a question with all variables. What is the best way to tell that variables will actually cancel out and you'll end up with computable trig functions and a constant? My brain is still trying to get used to it.
 
gills said:
What is the best way to tell that variables will actually cancel out and you'll end up with computable trig functions and a constant?
If the number of unknowns matches the number of independent equations--that's a good sign.

But the real secret is to have the confidence to set up the equations and attempt to solve them without knowing in advance that it will work out. That's how you learn. Some students (not you!) are afraid to make a move unless they see how to get the final answer in one step; with that attitude they'll never improve their problem-solving skills.

After you've solved a zillion problems, you'll have an intuition about what's solvable and what's not. But don't wait for that!
 

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