Statics, equilibrium sphere in a groove on an incline plane

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The discussion revolves around determining the angle θ for a sphere in a groove on an incline, ensuring the reaction forces on each side of the groove equal the force from the end plate. Participants clarify that the problem involves analyzing forces in three dimensions and emphasize the importance of maintaining consistent coordinate axes in their equations. Misinterpretations of force relationships and angles lead to confusion, with several attempts to derive the correct equations. Ultimately, the focus shifts to eliminating variables to simplify the equations, with a consensus that the actual values of forces are less important than their ratios. The conversation concludes with the identification of an error in angle assignments, which is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
  • #31
J-dizzal said:
Where does F cancel out?
Well right at the beginning you could cancel it out by dividing both sides by F. (Zero divided by F is zero.)

It should cancel at a later step too, but you're making a mistake in one of your steps... You're dividing one side by F but not the other side.

There also seems to be another mistake: you are turning α into θ at the last step. [edit: also the 2 appears to be missing somewhere]

(I haven't read this thread, so I'm just trusting that the initial equation is correct.)
 
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  • #32
J-dizzal said:
F-(2Fsin(α))/cosθ)=0
That's already wrong. You lost a sin(theta) somewhere.
 
  • #33
Nathanael said:
Well right at the beginning you could cancel it out by dividing both sides by F. (Zero divided by F is zero.)

It should cancel at a later step too, but you're making a mistake in one of your steps... You're dividing one side by F but not the other side.

There also seems to be another mistake: you are turning α into θ at the last step. [edit: also the 2 appears to be missing somewhere]

(I haven't read this thread, so I'm just trusting that the initial equation is correct.)

I keep getting the same answer now, still wrong though;
F-(2Fsin(α))/cos(θ))sin(θ)=0
1-(2sinα/cosθ)sinθ=0
cosθ-2sinαsinθ=0
-2sinαsinθ=-cosθ
-2sinα=-cosθ/sinθ
tanθ=1/2sinα
θ=arctan(1/sinα)
θ=50.87 degrees.​
 
  • #34
J-dizzal said:
tanθ=1/2sinα
θ=arctan(1/sinα)
Check that step.
 
  • #35
haruspex said:
Check that step.
θ=arctan(1/2sinα)
=50.87 incorrect
 
  • #36
J-dizzal said:
θ=arctan(1/2sinα)
=50.87 incorrect
There's another error in the working in the image attached to the OP. Didn't spot it before. You've swapped the 24 degrees and the 66 degrees.
 
  • #37
haruspex said:
There's another error in the working in the image attached to the OP. Didn't spot it before. You've swapped the 24 degrees and the 66 degrees.
yea!
Thanks haruspex.
 

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