Statistics Problem regarding conditional probabilities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a statistics problem involving conditional probabilities related to a delivery service's parcel delivery times. Participants explore the application of probability rules to determine the likelihood of a parcel being sent via standard delivery given that it did not arrive the next day.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem and attempts to use the conditional probability formula P(S|N^c)=(P(N^c|S)P(S))/(P(N^c) but struggles with missing probabilities.
  • Another participant suggests that P(N^c|S) can be calculated as 1 - P(N|S), indicating a potential simplification in the calculations.
  • A participant questions the validity of the relationship P(A|B^c)=1-P(A|B), seeking confirmation on its accuracy.
  • A later reply confirms the first relationship but disputes the second, providing a counterexample involving card probabilities to illustrate the point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the first conditional probability relationship but disagree on the validity of the second relationship, with one participant providing a counterexample to challenge it.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of events and the application of probability rules, which may not be universally applicable in all contexts.

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Homework Statement



A certain delivery service offers both express and standard delivery. Eighty-five percent of parcels are sent by standard delivery and 15% are sent by express. Of those sent standard, 80% arrive the next day, and of those sent express, 95% arrive the next day. A record of parcel delivery is chosen at random from the company’s files.

Given that the package did not arrive the next day, what is the probability that is was sent standard?

Homework Equations



Not entirely sure, possibly the statistics probability rule of multiplication or another.

The Attempt at a Solution



To begin I made Express Delivery= to the variable "E"
Standard delivery = "S"
Next day = "N"

From here I tried to use the relation P(S|N^c)=(P(N^c|S)P(S))/(P(N^c)) but the P(N^c|S) is one term that I don't have an actual probability for. So I'm going back and forth with one equation and two unknowns. I know the numerical value of the answer already, but I'm trying to follow the steps for the solution to the above listed problem. If someone could show me what the setup is for this solution I'd really appreciate the help.
 
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They give you P(N|S), so isn't P(Nc|S) just 1-P(N|S)?
 
I'm with you now I think. But is it true that:

P(A^c|B)=1-P(A|B) as well as P(A|B^c)=1-P(A|B)? My book only has the first equation and I wanted to verify that the second was true as well. It works just as you said but I just wanted to make sure that I knew exactly why and that I'm not making up my own rules.

Thank you.
 
I'm with you now I think. But is it true that:

P(A^c|B)=1-P(A|B) as well as P(A|B^c)=1-P(A|B)? My book only has the first equation and I wanted to verify that the second was true as well. It works just as you said but I just wanted to make sure that I knew exactly why and that I'm not making up my own rules.

Thank you.
 
The first statement is true, but the second is false. Deal one card from a normal pack. It's an ace. What is the probability that the next card dealt is an ace? What is the probability that it is not? That is an example of p(A|B)=1-p(Ac|B). However, draw a card and a second. What is the probability that the second is an ace given that the first was an ace? And given that the first was not an ace? Your relation doesn't hold here.
 

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