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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the binomial distribution to a homework problem involving the probability of defective wheel bearings in a vehicle. Participants explore the setup of the problem, including the number of trials and successes, and the implications of the given probabilities.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the problem involves selecting four bearings from a supply where 10% are defective, questioning the number of trials and successes in the binomial distribution context.
  • Another participant suggests that if 10% are defective, then the probability of success should be recalculated, proposing a different interpretation of the probabilities involved.
  • A participant clarifies that the probability of a selected bearing being good is 0.9, asserting that the selections are independent due to the large supply.
  • There is confusion regarding the calculation of the probability that all four bearings are good, with one participant incorrectly calculating it as 1/256.
  • Another participant correctly calculates the probability that all four bearings are good as (9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10), resulting in approximately 65.61%.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the number of trials, initially thinking there were fewer trials than there actually are.
  • There is a discussion about how to derive the probability that not all bearings are good from the previously calculated probability of them all being good.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether they need to adjust their variables in the equation to find the desired probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the number of trials and successes, as well as the calculations of probabilities. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of trials and successes in the context of the binomial distribution, leading to varied interpretations of the problem setup. The calculations of probabilities also reflect differing understandings of the binomial distribution formula.

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Help! Binomial Distribution: Statistics for M.E's

Homework Statement



Four wheel bearings are to be replaced on a company vehicle. The mechanic has selected the four replacement parts from a large supply bin in which 10% of the bearings are defective and will fail within the first 100 miles. What is the probability that the company vehicle will have a breakdown due to defective wheel bearings?


Homework Equations



Binomial Distribution Formula.

Pn(x) = C(n,x) (P^x) (q^(n-x)) = n! / ( (x!) * (n -x)! ) * (P^x) * (q^n-x)

I tried Latex but for some reason it wouldn't work properly.

The Attempt at a Solution




I know that q probability of failure =.1 q = p - 1
and probability of succes =.9


n # number of trials = 4
X # of successes = ?

I can plug in the values that's not the problem for me.

The main problem is the number of trials and successes. I don't know if I'm right.

A mechanic chooses 4 new bearings out of a large bin. So I'm assuming the number of trials is 4. But I don't know what the # of successes are. I have a 90% chance that the bearings will be fine, so what does this mean? Unless I have more than 4 trials.
 
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Ok I think I got it, they said 10 percent were defective out of a large bin. They chose 4.
If I multiply 4 * .1 = .4 that is 4 out of 10 that are defective. Then this must mean 5/10 are successful. That means my p isn't .9 it is .5
 


No. The probability that a selected bearing is good is .9. Since the supply of bearings is large you can assume that whether or not a bearing chosen is good or bad doesn't affect the probability for the next bearing selected. So figure the choices are independent.

So what is the probability all four are good?

If they aren't all good, there will be an accident. What is the probability of that given the answer to my first question?
 


The probability that all four are good is. (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4) = 1/256 = .4 chance that all four are good
 


geno678 said:
The probability that all four are good is. (1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4)*(1/4) = 1/256 = .4 chance that all four are good


Where are you getting the 1/4 from? The problem says that 90% of them are good.
 


Ok wait a minute. So 90% probability for each bearing that it is good.

Then I guess for four bearings it would be (9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10) = 65.61%
 


For some reason I was thinking you had 1 out 4 chances of a bearing being right, that's why I said 1/4. My mistake.
 


If they aren't all good it will be. (.1)*(.1)*(.1)*(.1) = .01%
 


Am I way off??
 
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I get it. It's just 90%. Because it's consistent for every trial.
 
  • #11


Ok I get it now. Their are 8 trials because, 1 wheel bearing can be good or bad. That's 2 trials for 1 wheel bearing. For four wheel bearings, you get 8 trials. And the number of successes are 4.
 
  • #12


geno678 said:
Ok wait a minute. So 90% probability for each bearing that it is good.

Then I guess for four bearings it would be (9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10)*(9/10) = 65.61%

Yes. That is the probability that all four are good. Now how can you figure out the probability that they aren't all good from that? That is what you are looking for.
 
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Ok I plugged in all of my variables, but the equation is set up to find the success of the parts. Do I need to switch up some variables?
 

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