Steady states/systems of differential equations/Phase portraits

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The discussion revolves around steady states in systems of differential equations, particularly focusing on the dynamics of two variables, p(t) and r(t). Participants are exploring the conditions necessary to compute steady states and the implications of the given differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to compute a steady state given what seems to be insufficient information. Some participants suggest solving the differential equations explicitly for p(t) and r(t) and question the nature of the derivatives not depending on p.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the relationships between the variables and the conditions for steady states. There is a recognition of potential issues with the problem setup, and some guidance is being offered regarding the mathematical approach to finding steady states.

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There is mention of part a) of the question being unrelated, which raises questions about the relevance of the provided information to the current problem. The discussion hints at a need for clarity on the models being used.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33103477/2007%2010b.png

I'm can't get my head around this question, there doesn't seem to be enough information to compute a steady state ?

Any ideas on how to begin ??
 
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Hi sid9221,

First of all, can't you solve explicitly for p(t) and r(t)? The ODE for r(t) should look very familiar.

This problem seems a bit strange. Typically to find the steady states you set ##\frac{dp}{dt} = 0## and ##\frac{dr}{dt} = 0##. These two conditions give you steady states ##(p_*, r_*)##. What do you get in this case?

It seems very fishy to me that ##\frac{dp}{dt}## and ##\frac{dr}{dt}## don't seem to depend on p at all...

Could we see part a) of the question, too?
 
Part a) is completely unrelated.

It's some nonsense about the population of fish...
 
sid9221 said:
Part a) is completely unrelated.

It's some nonsense about the population of fish...

The situations may be different, but are the models similar?

Did you solve for p(t) and r(t) or find the condition given by setting the derivatives to zero?
 
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33103477/Untitled.png
 
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Thanks for posting the full problem.

Anyway, if you set ##\frac{dp}{dt}=0## and ##\frac{dr}{dt} = 0##, what must r equal?

Also, if ##r'(t) = - \beta \, r(t)##, what function must ##r(t)## be?
 

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