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The problem involves a 5.60 kg steel ball dropped from a height of 10.0 m onto a copper plate, resulting in a dent of 3.10 mm. Participants are exploring the average force exerted by the plate on the ball during the impact.

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  • Some participants discuss calculating the speed of the ball at impact and consider using work-energy principles. Others suggest using the impulse-momentum theorem to relate momentum changes to average force. Questions arise about the relationship between force and energy, as well as the appropriate equations to apply.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being considered. Some participants have provided guidance on using different physical principles, while others are questioning the validity of comparing forces and energies. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of force, energy, and momentum in the context of the problem, with some confusion regarding the relationships between these concepts. The problem's setup and parameters are clearly defined, but interpretations of the physics involved are varied.

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A 5.60 kg steel ball is dropped onto a copper plate from a height of 10.0 m. If the ball leaves a dent 3.10 mm deep, what is the average force exerted by the plate on the ball during the impact?

Ok so if you calculate out the speed of the ball you should get the ball is going 14 m/s when it hits the plate. Do you use Work = Force * Distance? With the distance being the amount the dent went (3.1 mm) and the force would be equal to the energy the ball has before it hits the plate? Thanks for any help/advice
 
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In my opinion, I'll solve this problem in this way.
Consider \Delta W=W_i-W_f
I use the equation

\Delta W=(F-P)\Delta x\Longrightarrow F=\frac{\Delta W}{\Delta x}+P[/color]
 
Jacob87411 said:
A 5.60 kg steel ball is dropped onto a copper plate from a height of 10.0 m. If the ball leaves a dent 3.10 mm deep, what is the average force exerted by the plate on the ball during the impact?

Ok so if you calculate out the speed of the ball you should get the ball is going 14 m/s when it hits the plate. Do you use Work = Force * Distance? With the distance being the amount the dent went (3.1 mm) and the force would be equal to the energy the ball has before it hits the plate? Thanks for any help/advice

My attack would be to use the impulse-momentum theorem. You know how fast the ball is going when it hits the copper. This allows you to calculate the momentum of the ball before impact. The momentum of the ball when it reaches the bottom of the dent is zero, so you know the change in momentum. So you can figure the impulse. Now, impulse is average force times time. You can find the time by looking at the speed of the ball at impact and the depth of the dent by kinematics. Use y=y_0 +(1/2)(v_0+v)t.

Typically, if a problem is looking for average force, the impulse-momentum theorem is a good starting point.

-Dan
 
Jacob87411 said:
...and the force would be equal to the energy the ball has before it hits the plate?
Forces and energies are completely different quantities with different units. You can not compare or equate them.
 

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