Steel pulling through ice, find weight of object

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a steel object being pulled through ice with a specified applied force and coefficient of friction. Participants are tasked with finding the weight of the object while considering the implications of uniform motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, questioning the implications of uniform motion on the net force. They discuss the conditions under which forces balance and the meaning of acceleration being zero.

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The discussion is active, with participants examining different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between force and motion, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the calculations or the physical scenario.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the uniform motion condition and the definitions of forces involved. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to movement and acceleration in the context of Newton's laws.

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Homework Statement


Steel object is pulling uniformly through the ice with applied force 2 Newtons. Find object's weight (P), if k of friction is 0.02

Homework Equations


F = 2 Newtons
k = 0.02
P - ?

F = m*a
P = m*g


The Attempt at a Solution


I drow all forces and made this:
ma = F_attraction + F_friction + N + F
X: ma = F - kN
Y: 0 = N - mg
N = mg;

ma = F - kmg
=>
ma = 2 - 0.02×m×9.8

But there is 'a' - acceleration. And in the exercise said: uniformly, so there shouldn't be an acceleration. But what to do if the second Newton's law is F = ma?
 
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Ockonal said:
And in the exercise said: uniformly, so there shouldn't be an acceleration. But what to do if the second Newton's law is F = ma?

That's right, there is no acceleration. According to Newton's second law, F=ma, if a = 0, then what happens to net force?
 


To tell the truth, I'm not sure.
 


So we have F=ma, and a=0, we get F = 0. This means the two forces must cancel out.
 


But this way there shouldn't be any moving, should it?
 


Oh, if I understand you right:
0 = F - kN;
0 = N - mg;

N = mg;
0 = F - kmg
0 = 2 - 0.02×k×10
k = 10;
P = m×g;
P = 10×10 = 100 (Newtons)
And that is answer.
Thanks, but did I understand right, there there woudnlt' be moving?
 


To find the weight of the object just remember to plug in all given variables into the equation F=\muN. Force and \mu are given so all you have to do is work with those 2 variables to find your normal force and thus find your weight (F=mg).
 


Well, if you got the right answer, then it looks like you did the math right. But, there is still movement. Force doesn't directly cause there to be a velocity, it only causes acceleration. If there is no force, there is no chance in velocity, but there still can be movement.
 


Thanks all.
 

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