Stress and strain. young modulus

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of changes in lengths (AB, AD, and AC) in a material under stress, specifically using concepts related to Young's modulus, strain, and Poisson's ratio. The context includes both theoretical and practical applications of stress and strain in materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to calculate the change in lengths using the formula \(\sigma_{xx} = E \cdot \epsilon_{xx}\) and expresses confusion over the correct answer and the relevance of Poisson's ratio.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of the uniaxial stress equation and suggests looking for a more general equation for 2-D or 3-D loading configurations.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that strain in one direction can be influenced by loads in other directions, hinting at the complexity of multi-axial loading scenarios.
  • Another participant suggests using equations for plane stress/strain instead of axial stress/strain, providing specific formulas that incorporate Poisson's ratio.
  • One participant confirms understanding of Hooke's law after receiving clarification on the equations to use.
  • A participant discusses the need to find the change in length for AC, which lies on a different axis system, and describes their calculations involving angles and transformations for strain.
  • Another participant proposes a simpler approach by considering the hypotenuse of a right triangle formed by the strained lengths, although this is later challenged by a participant who notes the limitations of that method.
  • One participant acknowledges using the wrong angle in their calculations, leading to discrepancies in their results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods for calculating changes in length under stress, with some advocating for the use of plane stress/strain equations while others explore alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take for the specific problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about loading conditions, the applicability of different equations, and the dependence on the definitions of stress and strain in various coordinate systems. Some mathematical steps and transformations remain unresolved.

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in the following question, how do i find the changle in AB, the change in AD and the change in AC?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_H4Iz7SmBrbk/Sv_hYT83rYI/AAAAAAAAB8s/7l5YRXMxVfQ/s912/Capture.JP what i have done is used the following
[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx=E*[tex]\epsilon[/tex]xx

[tex]\delta[/tex]AB=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]AB*AB
since AB is on the x axis,
[tex]\epsilon[/tex]AB=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]xx=[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx/E=150000000/200000000000=3/400

[tex]\delta[/tex]AB=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]AB*AB=(3/400)*100*10^-5=75[tex]\mu[/tex]m
but, 1st of all this is wrong! the correct answer is meant to be 60[tex]\mu[/tex]m, and second of all it seems too simple, why would [tex]\nu[/tex]=0.3 be given if i don't use it?
 
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The equation [itex]\sigma=E\epsilon[/itex] only applies to uniaxial loading of a long, thin object (like a rod or a beam). Do you know of a more general equation for 2-D or 3-D loading configurations?

(This http://john.maloney.org/Papers/Generalized%20Hooke%27s%20Law%20%283-12-07%29.pdf" about stresses, strains, and constitutive equations may be helpful.)
 
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dont think so, what equation can i use?
 
Did you look at the link? Let me put it this way: strain in a certain direction can arise from a load in that direction, but it can also arise from lateral contraction caused by a load in another direction. Know what I mean?
 
Dell said:
in the following question, how do i find the changle in AB, the change in AD and the change in AC?

what i have done is used the following
[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx=E*[tex]\epsilon[/tex]xx

[tex]\delta[/tex]AB=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]AB*AB


Maples is right.
You should be using the equations for PLANE stress/strain and not AXIAL stress/strain. For axial strain ONLY, you would solve [tex]\epsilon[/tex]xx=[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx/E.

For plane strain, use
[tex]\epsilon[/tex]xx=[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx/E - [tex]\upsilon[/tex]/E*[tex]\sigma[/tex]yy
and comparably
[tex]\epsilon[/tex]yy=[tex]\sigma[/tex]yy/E - [tex]\upsilon[/tex]/E*[tex]\sigma[/tex]xx.

When you [positively] load a member in direction x, it elongates in that direction. In order to hold the volume of the material constant**, the object will "thin" in the other two directions y and z. The amount that they thin is described by Poisson's Ratio [tex]\upsilon[/tex].
**Note: The volume of the material can change slightly, but for loading within the normal range of the material's limits, the change will be imperceptible.

Hope this gets you on your way.
 
okay got is, hookes law right??
 
for questions a and b it worked perfectly since AB and AD lie on the X and Z axes and i have all the info i need for them, for c) i need to find the change in the length in AC which is on a differend axis system, let's call it n-y-t. now i know that the angle between them is 53.12 (atan(100/75) ) but i want the other angle,- 90+53.13 since i want the strain which goes along AC and i have the transformations equations for stress/strains
so i looked for the strain[tex]\epsilon[/tex]t

[tex]\epsilon[/tex]t=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]x*cos2(143.13)+[tex]\epsilon[/tex]z*sin2(143.13)=2.86*10-4

[tex]\delta[/tex]AB=[tex]\epsilon[/tex]t*AB=2.86*10-4*125*10-3=35.75[tex]\mu[/tex]m
which is way off, anyone see where I am going wrong?
 
Instead of messing around with different coordinate systems, why not just look at the hypotenuse of the right triangle?
 
i learned that that wouldn't work since these are not vectors, but i figured it out anyways, i was using the wrong angle.

(looking at the answers pythagoras won't work here --> 60^2+20.6^2 is not 60.4^2)
 
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I'm talking about the hypotenuse of the strained lengths: the hypotenuse of 100.060mm and 75.0206mm is 125.0604mm.
 
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nice
 

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