String constant of a folded and a cut up rubber

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a rubber slingshot, specifically focusing on the implications of folding and cutting the rubber on its spring constant. Participants explore theoretical aspects of spring constants in relation to the configuration of the rubber, including scenarios of folding and dividing the rubber into separate pieces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a folded rubber should be treated as two separate rubbers with spring constant k or as one rubber with spring constant 2k.
  • There is a proposal that if the rubber is cut in half, each piece would have a spring constant of k or possibly k/2, leading to uncertainty about the correct interpretation.
  • One participant suggests that when an object is placed in the sling, two sources exert force, supporting the interpretation of treating the rubber as two separate pieces.
  • Another participant explains that the spring constant is determined by the formula k=EA/L, introducing material properties and dimensions into the discussion.
  • A later reply discusses the equivalent spring constant for two pieces of rubber, suggesting a formula for combining spring constants.
  • There is a question about whether the equation K = ∑ k_i holds true if the number of rubber pieces is increased, with some participants affirming this relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to interpret the spring constant in the context of folding and cutting the rubber. No consensus is reached regarding the correct approach to analyze the spring constant in these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the analysis may depend on the definitions and assumptions made about the rubber's configuration and properties, which remain unresolved.

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Imagine that we wanted to build a slingshot, using one piece of rubber attached to two hooks - each on a side.

We use a rubber, whose spring constant is k.

My questions are:

1. If we began to string that slingshot and the rubber would begin to fold, what would happen with the string constant? Would we need to consider this one rubber as two, separate rubbers with the string constant k?
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + \frac{1}{2}kx^2[/tex]

or consider it as one rubber, with string constant 2k
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}(2k)(x^2)[/tex]

2. If we were to cut the rubber in half and build two slings with the two rubbers we have just gotten, what would be the string constant of each of these rubbers?
k or k/2?

Could you attach some reference to your answers?
 
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ChessEnthusiast said:
Imagine that we wanted to build a slingshot, using one piece of rubber attached to two hooks - each on a side.

We use a rubber, whose spring constant is k.

My questions are:

1. If we began to string that slingshot and the rubber would begin to fold, what would happen with the string constant? Would we need to consider this one rubber as two, separate rubbers with the string constant k?
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + \frac{1}{2}kx^2[/tex]

or consider it as one rubber, with string constant 2k
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}(2k)(x^2)[/tex]

2. If we were to cut the rubber in half and build two slings with the two rubbers we have just gotten, what would be the string constant of each of these rubbers?
k or k/2?

Could you attach some reference to your answers?
What is your assessment?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is your assessment?

Well, if we were to put an object into the sling, there would be two sources that exert a force F = kx, thus I would say that the first interpretation is more accurate.
 
ChessEnthusiast said:
Well, if we were to put an object into the sling, there would be two sources that exert a force F = kx, thus I would say that the first interpretation is more accurate.
The spring constant of a section of rubber is determined by ##k=EA/L##, where E is the elastic modulus of the rubber (a material constant), A is the cross sectional area (normal to the stretch direction), and L is the length of the piece of rubber. Does this help?
 
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Chestermiller said:
The spring constant of a section of rubber is determined by k=EA/Lk=EA/L, where E is the elastic modulus of the rubber (a material constant), A is the cross sectional area (normal to the stretch direction), and L is the length of the piece of rubber. Does this help?

Thank you. Your answer has dispelled my doubts about the second part of my question.

As of the first part, would it be more appreciate to analyze this situation as two rubbers of length 0.5L, or one rubber of length L?
The math will be the same, but the concept is way different.
 
$$K=k_1+k_2=\frac{EA}{0.5L}+\frac{EA}{0.5L}=4\frac{EA}{L}$$where K is the equivalent spring constant of the combination, and L is the total original length.
 
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Thank you.
Last question:
If we were to increase the number of rubbers, would this equation hold:
[tex]K = \sum_{i=1}^{n} k_i[/tex]
 
ChessEnthusiast said:
Thank you.
Last question:
If we were to increase the number of rubbers, would this equation hold:
[tex]K = \sum_{i=1}^{n} k_i[/tex]
Yes
 
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