Structural Analysis- Properties Of Sections

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The discussion revolves around determining the dimension 's' in a compound section formed by two steel channels, focusing on the properties of sections such as the moment of inertia (Ixx and Iyy) and the application of the parallel axis theorem. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical calculations related to structural analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in finding the dimension 's' that makes Ixx equal to Iyy for the compound section.
  • Another participant suggests that the properties of one channel are known and that Ixx of the combined section can be calculated independently of channel spacing.
  • There is a question about whether the combined Ixx of both channels is simply double that of one channel, which is confirmed by another participant.
  • Participants express uncertainty about using the parallel axis theorem to calculate 's', indicating a lack of familiarity with its application.
  • A participant provides the formula for the parallel axis theorem and encourages others to plug in numbers for further assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate 's' using the properties of the channels and the parallel axis theorem, but there is uncertainty regarding the application of the theorem and the calculations involved. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek clarification and assistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants have not been taught the parallel axis theorem in detail, leading to confusion about its application. There is also a reliance on provided formulas without a full understanding of their derivation or implications.

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The two steel channels shown are arranged to form a compound section in which Ixx=Iyy.
Determine the value of the dimension 's' that will satisfy this condition.

We have been working on radius of gyration, section modulus, second moment of area, the parallel axis theorem, polar second moment. But all the questions we have done in class are using universal beams and none ask to determine the dimension of anything. Please Help !
 

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The dimensions you need are given, except for 's' , which you are asked to find. The properties of one channel are also noted. The I_xx of the combined section is independent of the channel spacing, so you should be able to easily calculate it. Once you know I_xx of the combined section, you are asked to make the
I-yy of the combined section equal to it. This can be done using the parallel axis theorem, about the y axis. Note that in using this theorem, the unknown distance 'd' to use in your 'Ad^2" calculations is measured from the cg of the channel to the y axis. Please show your attempt.
 
So would the combined Ixx of both channels be 2 times the Ixxof 1 channel. And sorry, but I'm not sure on how to calculate s using the parallel axis theorem. i haven't been taught much about it just given a bunch of formulas. Thanks For any help.
 
Stacyg said:
So would the combined Ixx of both channels be 2 times the Ixxof 1 channel.
Yes, correct.
And sorry, but I'm not sure on how to calculate s using the parallel axis theorem. i haven't been taught much about it just given a bunch of formulas. Thanks For any help.
Have you been given the parallel axis theorem formula {I_{yy}}_c = \Sigma {I_{yy}}_1 + \Sigma A_1 d^2, where {I_{yy}}_c is the combined section yy moment of inertia about the centroid of the combined section, {I_{yy}}_1 is the yy moment of inertia of the individual channel about the centroid of the individual channel, A_1 is the individual area of the channel, and d is the distance from the centroid of the individual channel to the centroid of the combined section (that is, in this case, d = \rho + s/2). Try plugging in some numbers and resubmit for further assistance. I've given a lot of hints. And don't forget the summation part!
 

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