Struggling immensely with tensors in multivariable calculus

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The discussion centers around the concept of tensors in multivariable calculus, specifically focusing on the components of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2 derived from the second partial derivatives of a scalar-valued function. Participants express confusion regarding the definition and properties of tensors, particularly in relation to coordinate transformations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to understand the fundamental definition of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2 and question how it relates to changes in coordinates. There are inquiries about the nature of tensors, including whether they can be considered matrices and what they represent.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on basic concepts and definitions related to tensors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation properties of tensors under coordinate changes, but there is no consensus on the fundamental understanding of tensors themselves.

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Participants note that the topic of tensors may not be part of the intended curriculum, contributing to their uncertainty. There is also mention of using the chain rule of partial derivatives to explore transformations, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

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Homework Statement


If f(x) is a scalar-valued function, show that ∂ƒ²/∂xi∂xj are the components of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2.

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I don't even know where to begin. We began learning tensors in multivariable calculus (though I don't think this is supposed to be a part of our curriculum) and this question came up. I'm not sure at all how to answer it. Any help in understanding this problem would be hugely appreciated, even if it doesn't solve the entire thing.

Thank you.
 
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ParabolaDog said:

Homework Statement


If f(x) is a scalar-valued function, show that ∂ƒ²/∂xi∂xj are the components of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2.

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't even know where to begin. We began learning tensors in multivariable calculus (though I don't think this is supposed to be a part of our curriculum) and this question came up. I'm not sure at all how to answer it. Any help in understanding this problem would be hugely appreciated, even if it doesn't solve the entire thing.

Thank you.
What is the fundamental definition of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2? (Hint: it has to do with what happens when we make a change of coordinates)
 
nrqed said:
What is the fundamental definition of a Cartesian tensor of rank 2? (Hint: it has to do with what happens when we make a change of coordinates)

Is it a matrix? I've learned that a tensor of rank 0 is a scalar and that a tensor of rank 1 is a vector, but I'm not sure I fully understand what exactly tensors are supposed to represent.
 
ParabolaDog said:
Is it a matrix? I've learned that a tensor of rank 0 is a scalar and that a tensor of rank 1 is a vector, but I'm not sure I fully understand what exactly tensors are supposed to represent.
well, one can think of it as a matrix since there are two indices but this is not important here, what is important is how it transforms under a change of coordinates.
 
nrqed said:
well, one can think of it as a matrix since there are two indices but this is not important here, what is important is how it transforms under a change of coordinates.

I'm afraid even this basic a grasp of tensors is lost to me. What exactly is a tensor in the first place? I don't think I can answer your initial question concerning the fundamental definition of a rank two tensor.
 
What happens to the components of a position vector (tensor of rank 1) ##x_i## (where ##x_1 = x##, ##x_2 = y##, ##x_3 = z##) when you rotate the xyz coordinate system? What about a two index object ##a_{ij} = x_i x_j##, (for which ##a_{11} = x^2## and ##a_{12} = xy##, etc.)? Now you should use the chain rule of partial derivatives to show that under rotations the object ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i \partial x_j}## has a transformation law that is similar to that of the ##a_{ij}##...
 

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