Struggling with Integrating a First Order DE: How to Proceed?

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation involving polynomial expressions in both the dependent and independent variables. Participants are exploring methods of integration and the appropriate techniques to apply given their early exposure to differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables technique and express uncertainty about the integration process. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the integrals and suggestions for completing the square and using partial fractions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on correcting the setup of the integrals and suggested specific methods for integration, such as completing the square and factoring. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the integrals, with no explicit consensus reached on the best path forward.

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Participants are working within the constraints of early coursework in differential equations, which may limit their familiarity with more advanced techniques. There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of polynomial expressions and the integration process.

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Homework Statement


Solve the following DE:
(6x[tex]^{4}+x^{3}[/tex]+10x[tex]^{2}[/tex]+2x-4)yy' = (y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+y+2)(12x[tex]^{4}[/tex]+2x[tex]^{3}[/tex]+20x[tex]^{2}[/tex]+6x-7)


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All we really know technique wise is separation of variables then integrate. Basically this is the first week of DE class.


The Attempt at a Solution


I divided both sides by the left parantheses part and did division. Put the y's on the left and I am stuck at integration.

[tex]\int\frac{y}{y^2+y+2}[/tex]dy =2[tex]\int\frac{2x+1}{6x^4+x^3+10x^2+2x-4}[/tex]dx

There is where I left off. I am having difficulty with both integrals, if they are even possible. Did I miss something in an early step? Not sure where to proceed or if I am heading in the right direction. Help would be great.
 
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That's a pretty masochistic problem. One place you did go wrong is that the ratio of x polynomials is 2+(2x+1)/(6*x^4+x^3+10*x^2+2*x-4). The 2 doesn't come out as a multiplicative factor. Now you just have a couple of moderately nasty (but doable) integrals. For the y integral you need to start by completing the square in the denominator, do a ordinary substitution and then a trig substitution. The x integral is a partial fractions project. You started it out right by doing the division.
 
The right side should be
[tex]\int (2 + \frac{2x + 1}{6x^4 + x^3 + 10x^2 + 2x - 4}) dx[/tex]

not 2 time the integral that you show.

For the integral on the left, you could rewrite the numerator as y + 1/2 - 1/2, and then split it into two integrals, with y + 1/2 in the numerator of the first, and -1/2 in the numerator of the second. After integration, these would be K*ln(y^2 + y + 2) and arctan(something).

For the integral on the right, you'll get 2x + something, where the "something" is going to take some work. You should start by factoring the 6x^4 + ... expression in the denominator, if possible. If you can get this expression factored, you can use partial fractions to break up (2x + 1)/(6x^4 + ... - 4) into the sum of easier to work with rational functions.
 
When you the complete the square do you add 1/(1/4) for completing the square in the bottom as (y+1/2)^2 so add 4 to the right?
 
Wouldn't that mean you subtract 1/4 from the 2? y^2+y+2=(y+1/2)^2+7/4, isn't that it?
 

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