Student Struggling with Hookes Law - 18 Year Old Physics Student

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Hooke's Law, focusing on its application to springs and materials like rubber. Participants explore the concept of elasticity, the calculation of the spring constant (k), and the limitations of Hooke's Law in describing the behavior of certain materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on Hooke's Law, expressing difficulty in understanding the concept.
  • Another participant explains that Hooke's Law models the extension of a spring under load, stating that the force applied results in proportional extension.
  • A further explanation details that the force exerted by a spring is proportional to the displacement from its equilibrium position, defined by the equation F=kΔx, where k is the spring constant.
  • There are inquiries about how to calculate the spring constant k, with suggestions to measure deformation under applied forces.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of rubber, noting that it does not obey Hooke's Law and that its elasticity is more complex due to its polymeric structure.
  • One participant mentions that rubber stretches easily initially but becomes harder to stretch as the polymer chains are straightened, introducing the concept of hysteresis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding Hooke's Law and its application to different materials. There is no consensus on the behavior of rubber in relation to Hooke's Law, with some participants acknowledging its limitations while others provide explanations for its non-linear behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that most materials do not strictly obey Hooke's Law, indicating that it serves as a linear approximation. The discussion includes unresolved aspects of measuring k and the complexities of non-linear elasticity.

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hi, I am a student 18 years of age, I am currently starting my first year of physics, and I've got an exam coming up, on mechanics, materials and waves


i can't seem to get a grip on hookes law, could someone explain it please?
 
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Hi there,

The Hookes law simply models the extension of a spring under a load. If you have a spring that follows this law, then it simply says that the force applied to the spring will extend the spring. If you double this force, you double the extension of the spring.

Cheers
 
A spring that obeys Hooke's law, when displaced from its equilibrium position by a distance \Delta x, exerts a force which acts to compress the spring if it has been stretched or vice versa with magnitude F=k \Delta x where k is the spring constant. The point is that the force directed towards the equilibrium point increases linearly with displacement.
 
thanks very much for that.

but how would you calculate the constant k

and what about the rubber not obbeying hookes law. when i was doing a past paper that is one of the questions that actually came up, i could slighty figure it out but other wise i was completely lost
 
Hi there,

Elastic might follow Hookes' law. To find out, apply a certain force to the spring/rubber and measure the deformation. By doubling the force applied to it, verify that the elongation double also. If so, then you device follows Hookes' law.

Cheers
 
z3sh4n said:
thanks very much for that.

but how would you calculate the constant k

and what about the rubber not obbeying hookes law. when i was doing a past paper that is one of the questions that actually came up, i could slighty figure it out but other wise i was completely lost

The easiest way to measure 'k' (especially for a spring) is to hang weights off one end; plotting mg versus the change in length gives (approximately) a line, the slope of which is 'k'.

Most materials do not obey Hooke's law (it's a linear approximation). Non-linear theories of elasticity are much more complex.
 
z3sh4n said:
thanks very much for that.

but how would you calculate the constant k

and what about the rubber not obbeying hookes law. when i was doing a past paper that is one of the questions that actually came up, i could slighty figure it out but other wise i was completely lost

Because of its polymetric structure rubber does not obey Hooke's law.It stretches easily at first because the polymer chains are being straightened but once straightened it becomes harder to stretch because the molecules themselves are being separated.Rubber also displays something called hysteresis and recovers by a different route when it is unloaded.
 

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