Sturm-Liouville Question on Orthogonality

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The discussion revolves around Sturm-Liouville problems involving differential equations of the form X'' + λX = 0, with specific boundary conditions. The goal is to demonstrate the orthogonality of the solutions Xm and Xn over the interval from 0 to 1, specifically showing that the integral of their product is zero for m ≠ n.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of boundary conditions on the solutions and explore the relationship between the eigenvalues λm and λn. There are attempts to derive the integral expression for the orthogonality condition and questions about the validity of the proposed solutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the differential equations and integrating the resulting expressions. There is ongoing exploration of the integration process and the conditions under which the integral evaluates to zero, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for non-trivial solutions and the implications of different cases for the eigenvalue λ. There is also a reference to potential errors in the evaluation of boundary conditions and integration techniques.

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Homework Statement


For the following diff. eqns (fcns of t)

X''m + λmXm=0
Xm (1)=0
X'm=0

X''n + λnXn=0
Xn (1)=0
X'n=0

Show that ∫XmXndt from 0 to 1 equals 0 for m≠n.

Homework Equations


Qualitative differential equations... no idea really what to put in this section.


The Attempt at a Solution


Using theory I am able to prove that the λ term must be positive in order to have non-trivial solutions. Using this, I am able to obtain explicit solutions for Xm and Xn respectively. However, when I attempt to take the integral I immediately am lost in how to show that their integrated product is 0.

My solutions are in this general form for both Xm and Xn, where C2 is some non-zero constant (to avoid trivial cases):

X = Cw*cos([((∏/2)+k∏)^2]x) for k = 0, 1, 2, ...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I cannot see how your solutions satisfy the boundary conditions.
 
multiply the 1st eqn by Xn and second by Xm and then subtract .take the integral from 0 to 1 of the resulting expression and you will get
(X'mXn - X'nXm )01=(λm-λn)∫XmXn dt
if m≠n then λm≠λn
and the left side is zero because of boundary condition and the required result follows.(may be some +,- error is there but that does not matter)
 
Voko, I used the characteristic equation of the differential equation, and using Euler's formula as the general form of the homogenous equation, I solved three different cases based on the sign of λ. The negative and zero case for λ gives trivial solutions of X = 0. Only the positive case gives valuable solutions where the constant that arises is understood to be nontrivial (we say that the constant is non-zero).

This causes the trigonometric term to be the only term that can be zero. Solving for λ, we would obtain the periodic coefficient in front of the t in the cos term.

Was this the correct approach?

Andrien, thank you for your response, I will try it tomorrow (it is 4:20AM right now) and report back with my results.
 
The approach is generally correct. However, the result is not. Just evaluate your solution at x = 0 and x = 1. You must have made a mistake along the way.
 
andrien said:
multiply the 1st eqn by Xn and second by Xm and then subtract .take the integral from 0 to 1 of the resulting expression and you will get
(X'mXn - X'nXm )01=(λm-λn)∫XmXn dt
if m≠n then λm≠λn
and the left side is zero because of boundary condition and the required result follows.(may be some +,- error is there but that does not matter)

Andrien, perhaps you can assist in my integration? I am a little confused. My sum (after subtraction as you suggested):

XnX"m + λmXmXn - XmX"n - λnXnXm

I tried to integrate term by term but I am getting very confused by the multiple instances of integration by parts. When can I stop integrating by parts? Or am I just missing a step that can be simplified with the Fundamental Thm of Calculus...?
 
XnX"m- XmX"n=d/dt(XnX'm - XmX'n), which you can easily verify.then just integrate with respect to t and since this term is pure derivative it will come out with limits as I have written above and then it is all easy.
 
Thanks, I managed to get it :D
 

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