Subgroups and LaGrange's Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the properties of finite subgroups H and K of a group G, particularly focusing on their intersection and the implications of their orders being relatively prime, as stated by LaGrange's theorem.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the nature of the intersection of H and K, questioning whether it forms a group and what that implies about the orders of H and K. There is an attempt to use proof by contradiction, with some participants reflecting on how the properties of the intersection relate to the coprimality of the subgroup orders.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying questions and exploring the implications of their assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the intersection being a subgroup and the orders of H and K, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working within the constraints of group theory and LaGrange's theorem, specifically focusing on the implications of coprime orders and the structure of subgroups.

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Let H and K be finite subgroups of a group G whose orders are relatively prime. Show H and K have only the identity element in common.

By LaGrange's theorem I know that the orders of H and K must divide the order of G. I have attempted a proof by contradiction but have had no luck arriving at a contradiction. Any ideas?

Thanks.
 
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You are correct, and you do need Lagrange. But you're asked what the intersection of H and K is. Firstly, is HnK a group?
 
Well, I suppose it would be a group if it contained the identity, g and the inverse of g. This is what I was trying to use to find a contradiction but I'm not sure how this leads to the fact that H and K are relatively prime.
 
You should probably answer Matt's question without the 'if'. If the intersection of H and K is a group, then it's a subgroup of H and K. That tells you something about divisors of the order of H and K.
 
Obraz35 said:
Well, I suppose it would be a group if it contained the identity, g and the inverse of g. This is what I was trying to use to find a contradiction but I'm not sure how this leads to the fact that H and K are relatively prime.

You are attempting to deduce something from the fact that they are relatively prime.

H and K have coprime orders. So, by Lagrange, if L is a subgroup of H and K, then what do you know?
 
Oh, okay. I see it now. Thanks very much.
 

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