Subspace of R2 involving absolute value

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{(x1,x2)T| |x2|=|x2|}

So my first thought is we would have to check for both cases (x1,x1) and (-x1,-x1)

a=(x1,x1)T b=(v1,v1)T


βa=(βx1,βx1)T for the case where a<0 βa(-βx1,-βx1)T

thus it is closed under scalar multiplication.

a+b=(x1+v1,x1+v1) for the case where a and b<0 [-(x1+v1,x1+v1)]T
thus closed under addition.

I would think this would be a subset, however the book says this is false. Where did I go wrong?


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Dick
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You are basically ignoring the absolute value. Are (1,1) and (1,-1) in your subspace? How about the sum?
 
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No because a+b would give you (2,0) and x1 and x2 have to be equal?
 
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No because a+b would give you (2,0) and x1 and x2 have to be equal?

No, because |2| is not equal |0|. You don't have to have x1=x2 to be in the subspace. x1=(-x2) also works. But (2,0) doesn't fit either one.
 
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Homework Statement



{(x1,x2)T| |x2|=|x2|}
Did you really mean |x2| = |x2| ?
 
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Oops that was a typo it was suppose to be |x1|=|x2|.

Also Dick, I'm a bit confused on why you chose (1,1) (1,-1)
 
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Oops that was a typo it was suppose to be |x1|=|x2|.

Also Dick, I'm a bit confused on why you chose (1,1) (1,-1)

I was just trying to find two vectors in your set which didn't sum to be something in the set. Choosing one that satisfies x1=x2 and another that satisfies x1=(-x2) will do it. Nothing special about the 1's.
 
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But they must be equal? for instance we could use (2,2) and (2,-2) or (-2,2) and (2,2)
 
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But they must be equal? for instance we could use (2,2) and (2,-2) or (-2,2) and (2,2)

(1,1) and (3,-3) work fine too. Their sum isn't in the set either.
 

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