Superconductor at room temp

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of extremely low resistance, specifically below one nano-ohm, in the context of superconductors. Participants explore various measurement techniques and devices, as well as the implications of superconductivity at room temperature.

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  • One participant inquires about devices capable of measuring resistance lower than .000000001 ohms, providing dimensions of their conductor.
  • Another participant suggests using a nanovoltmeter with a current source or a digital multimeter optimized for low-resistance measurements, referencing a white paper on the challenges of measuring low resistances.
  • A different participant discusses the difficulties of low-resistance measurements due to contact issues and describes a four-terminal connection method for accurate measurements.
  • There is a mention of using an induction coil to heat a superconducting plate to test its resistance and a question about the feasibility of using an IR thermometer to measure the temperature of a superconducting plate.
  • Some participants assert that there are currently no room temperature superconductors and describe methods to test for superconductivity, such as observing changes in magnetic fields when cooling through the transition temperature.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the cost of nano-ohm measurement equipment and mentions seeking assistance from a lab with the necessary tools.
  • Another participant humorously questions whether an IR thermometer would measure the temperature of the superconductor or simply reflect body temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of room temperature superconductors, with some asserting they do not exist yet, while others imply the possibility of having developed one. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on measurement techniques and challenges without resolving disagreements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the technical challenges associated with measuring low resistance, including the need for specific measurement setups and the influence of geometry on current density and voltage drop. There is also uncertainty regarding the practicality of using certain measurement devices.

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This discussion may be of interest to those involved in experimental physics, materials science, and electrical engineering, particularly in the context of superconductivity and low-resistance measurement techniques.

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I have a question. What device can I use to measure resistance lower than .000000001? Conductor is 6 inches by 1/4 thick. I had to make it big due to equipment limitations
 
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Jlarkin84 said:
What device can I use to measure resistance lower than .000000001?
That's one nano-ohm, which could be tough to measure!
Take a look at this white paper from Tektronix: Accurate Low-Resistance Measurements Start with Identifying Sources of Error, which states:
"Measuring low resistances (1Ω and lower) has a variety of technical challenges. Depending on the application, test system builders can choose from various instrument options, including a nanovoltmeter used with a current source (for measurements as low as of tens of nano-ohms) or a digital multimeter (DMM) optimized for low-resistance measurements (as low as tens of micro-ohms)."
 
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Welcome to PF.

Jlarkin84 said:
I have a question. What device can I use to measure resistance lower than .000000001? Conductor is 6 inches by 1/4 thick. I had to make it big due to equipment limitations
Have a look at this recent thread (click the little up-arrow in the title bar of the quote to be taken to that thread):
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TL;DR Summary: Testing superconductor

Hi, I would like someone to test the superconductor I have come up with or let me know how ( I don't have a lab ), what I can say that the resistance is almost zero with my Fluke.Regards
 
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The measurement of low resistance is always difficult due to the contacts with the material. Low-resistance measurements invariably use four terminal connections. On a plate, those electrodes would be in a line, centred on a face of the plate. The two outer terminals provide a measured current that flows across the plate. The two inner terminals are used to measure the voltage drop at the surface. The geometry of the plate, determines the current density, with the voltage drop, between the inner electrodes, being proportional to the resistance.

A superconducting plate will make a good mirror to long-wave radiation. One way to measure plate resistance, would be to heat it with an induction coil. If the plate remains cold, it has low resistance and is reflecting all incident EM field.

Could an IR thermometer measure the temperature of a superconducting plate? Or would you simply be measuring your body temperature in the mirror?
 
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You may not be aware that there are no room temperature superconductors—yet. Superconductors expel magnetic fields, so one way to tell if you have a superconductor is to place it in a uniform magnetic field, cool it through the transition temperature, and watch the external fields change.
 
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marcusl said:
Superconductors expel magnetic fields, so one way to tell if you have a superconductor is to place it in a uniform magnetic field, cool it through the transition temperature, and watch the external fields change.
Another way would be to place the sample in a solenoid inductor. The inductance will fall when the sample becomes superconducting, as it will exclude the magnetic field from that part of the solenoid. Changes in inductance can be measured very accurately.
 
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marcusl said:
You may not be aware that there are no room temperature superconductors—yet. Superconductors expel magnetic fields, so one way to tell if you have a superconductor is to place it in a uniform magnetic field, cool it through the transition temperature, and watch the external fields change.
Jlarkin84 said:
I have a question. What device can I use to measure resistance lower than .000000001? Conductor is 6 inches by 1/4 thick. I had to make it big due to equipment limitations
Thank yall!. I looked up the cost of the equipment for nanoohms and that ain't happening. To rich for my blood. I did buy a milliohm meter and it can't determine resistance either. So I read one of those threads and gonna do what yall suggested them, take it to a lab. Safran is gonna help me out. They have that nanoohm device and experience to use it. Ty!!
 
So you’ve invented a room-temperature superconductor?
 
Jlarkin84 said:
Conductor is 6 inches by 1/4 thick.
Not actual measurement, but kind of a cheap comparison which works just fine for bigger plates/pieces:
 
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Baluncore said:
Or would you simply be measuring your body temperature in the mirror?
I've seen that problem with TO-3 transistor cases. We had to paint them sometimes.
 

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